Topic: Euro TPS from an A2 16V? (Read 1195 times)

greggearhead · « **on:** February 15, 2005, 09:08:42 AM »

I am not the expert on Rest of the World VW models - maybe someone can help me?

This is a TPS for an A2 16V? I didn't know A2s had TPSs. Any reason it wouldn't work the same as the TPS on a motronic Passat 16V auto throttle body?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=9889&item=4527889402&rd=1

« **Reply #1 on:** February 15, 2005, 09:39:25 AM »

Is that the wrong link? Its pulling up a 50mm Intake.

Passat 16v AUTOS were the only 16v's with TPS's. G60 auto had the same one and are interchangable .

If its euro and 16v, I guess there's the possibility its off an ABF?

Jesus · « **Reply #2 on:** February 15, 2005, 09:44:16 AM »

Quote from: "Motel6"

If its euro and 16v, I guess there's the possibility its off an ABF?

Yes very true, and in that case unlike any TPS' that we ever had in the states.

« **Reply #3 on:** February 15, 2005, 09:46:19 AM »

w3rd. As a side note, I need a TPS connector and pig tail if you come across one.

greggearhead · « **Reply #4 on:** February 15, 2005, 09:54:32 AM »

Oops. Wrong link.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4527775906&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT

My understanding of the ABF is that it only came on A3s, not A2s, though.

Jesus · « **Reply #5 on:** February 15, 2005, 10:04:42 AM »

Quote from: "greggearhead"

My understanding of the ABF is that it only came on A3s, not A2s, though.

Correct

And I've never seen anything like this before?

:?:

greggearhead · « **Reply #6 on:** February 15, 2005, 10:15:29 AM »

See my dilema? WOuld love to buy it, but hate to do it and get something that won't fit a "normal" 9A/PL throttle body.

Jesus · « **Reply #7 on:** February 15, 2005, 10:19:53 AM »

I can't see how that would possibly fit what we know as a "normal" throttlebody

Scott · « **Reply #8 on:** February 15, 2005, 11:20:12 AM »

Greg, I have a guy with a Passat TB (with TPS) for $30.. if you want it let me know and I will hook you two up because I am back in low budget mode until after Spring Break.

« **Reply #9 on:** February 15, 2005, 11:26:27 AM »

Must have something to do with Euro injection. Looks a lot like the secondary throttle sensor on my Infiniti

greggearhead · « **Reply #10 on:** February 15, 2005, 11:29:58 AM »

Quote from: "Colorado16v"

Greg, I have a guy with a Passat TB (with TPS) for $30.. if you want it let me know and I will hook you two up because I am back in low budget mode until after Spring Break.

Yes, please do.

bfcase · « **Reply #11 on:** February 15, 2005, 12:28:39 PM »

Quote from: "greggearhead"

See my dilema? WOuld love to buy it, but hate to do it and get something that won't fit a "normal" 9A/PL throttle body.

In my USA LU software 048 133 154 (the part number on the package in the photo) shows this part as fits the following cars:

90-92 Jetta 9A Engine
90-94 Passat 9A Engine

And is only to be used on TB part numbers 051 133 063 AA, 051 133 063 AB or 051 133 063 T (the AB variant is apparently only for California emissions engines)

In the Euro version of my LU software it shows it is used on the following:

89-95 Scirocco / Corrado
90-92 Golf
88-93 Passat/Santana
90-92 Jetta/Vento

All 9A engine... with the same restrictions to throttle body part numbers.

Also - for manual trans only on Passats at least in both the Euro and USA software...

WGLX · « **Reply #12 on:** February 15, 2005, 09:48:14 PM »

Dammit Greg that avatar is a hugh distraction while trying to read this thread. (speaking in slow monitone voice) " Can't keep eyes off the boobies." :shock:

greggearhead · « **Reply #13 on:** February 15, 2005, 10:09:41 PM »

I know, I may have to change it just because I can't read anything w/o trying to stare at it. Heh heh.

LOS · « **Reply #14 on:** February 15, 2005, 10:22:53 PM »

my tapass has the tps, whats the advantage to it on my car?

Jesus · « **Reply #15 on:** February 15, 2005, 10:28:04 PM »

Quote from: "LOS"

my tapass has the tps, whats the advantage to it on my car?

Advantage? None it's for the Auto tranny ecu.
But most people use them for standalone setups where they require a TPS.

LOS · « **Reply #16 on:** February 15, 2005, 10:36:02 PM »

oh ok, i knew it was for the auto tranny ecu, but i thought maybe there was an advantage to having this on a manual car... but the standalone makes sense.

Rukh · « **Reply #17 on:** February 15, 2005, 10:57:50 PM »

Dammit Greg, your avatar's bouncing bosom almost hypnotized me.

Scott · « **Reply #18 on:** February 16, 2005, 10:53:37 AM »

It helps in telling the ECU when to shift... now it is just keeping the ECU happy because the signal is going nowhere!

Jesus · « **Reply #19 on:** February 16, 2005, 10:58:53 AM »

Now...the big "knowledge test" (Lovett & gearhead you're not allowed to answer)

What function does the TPS serve in a regular system with a manual trans. or in a standalone management setup?

No googling allowed.

Scott · « **Reply #20 on:** February 16, 2005, 11:38:02 AM »

ummmm... does it have something to do with a comparison between the throttle opening and what the MAF is seeing?

Jesus · « **Reply #21 on:** February 16, 2005, 11:51:57 AM »

Well kinda..but there's a lot more to it than that.

greggearhead · « **Reply #22 on:** February 16, 2005, 11:52:06 AM »

Don't know if this will help, but think about a carburetor.

And also - how many standalones use a MAF?

Jesus · « **Reply #23 on:** February 16, 2005, 11:54:28 AM »

Quote from: "greggearhead"

Don't know if this will help, but think about a carburetor.

Bingo..that's the direction I was going Greg.

I knew a good ole Iowa boy that grew up in the 70's & 80's would know the answer.

Scott · « **Reply #24 on:** February 16, 2005, 11:57:52 AM »

fuel metering???

Jesus · « **Reply #25 on:** February 16, 2005, 11:59:06 AM »

You have to understand everything that a carburator does.

Scott · « **Reply #26 on:** February 16, 2005, 12:24:54 PM »

Quote from: "Pat"

You have to understand everything that a carburator does.

clearly I do not... break it down for a brotha...

greggearhead · « **Reply #27 on:** February 16, 2005, 12:32:29 PM »

When you quickly open the throttle on a carb, a rush of air goes in, but doesn't carry enough fuel for that extra rush of air. WHen the throttle moves quickly, an accelerator pump adds a squirt of fuel to compensate for that rush.

A standalone uses the tps to measure that same thing, as well as using the throttle position, rpm, and manifold pressure to determine fueling. At least that is my understanding of it.

Jesus · « **Reply #28 on:** February 16, 2005, 12:35:18 PM »

Perdy much what I was getting at.

BTW Greg that avatar is putting evil thoughts in my head :shock:

Scott · « **Reply #29 on:** February 16, 2005, 12:46:46 PM »

well shit... then I did have at least a fucking GRASP of what was going on... I feel less stupid now!

« **Reply #30 on:** February 16, 2005, 01:03:20 PM »

TPS's with standalones can do cool other things, too... like I have mine set up for fuel cutoff on quick lift throttle. Or, you can do the opposite. Dump a ton of gas in on lift throttle and retard the timing for a balls ass pre-spooler. :shock:

LOS · « **Reply #31 on:** February 17, 2005, 09:20:46 AM »

nice....

LOS · « **Reply #32 on:** February 17, 2005, 10:26:32 PM »

Speakin of which here is one on the tex...
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=1809517

Scott · « **Reply #33 on:** February 17, 2005, 11:08:25 PM »

that dude is smoking some MAJOR crack asking for that much money!

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