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« on: March 18, 2011, 01:18:48 PM »

Well, I found an 88 mk2 jetta w/ vr6 and syncro for sale in AZ and the wife actually okay'd it ~ then added 'if that's what you decide' ~ I was pretty sure that's what I wanted to do, but then started thinking ~ if I threw THAT much money at my current project it would be everything I wanted and more.  So, I'm letting go the AWD VR6 Jetta and planning on spending some money getting the current project finished. 

So the question: Where should I go?
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Re: Local VW shops in CS or relatively close
« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2011, 01:34:31 PM »

Denver is about your best bet. I haven't heard of a single shop around here that is any good with watercooled Volkswagens. Anything custom will explode their heads. 3Zero3 Motorsports, Hardys, Peak Eurosport, Bluewater, etc. should be able to fix up whatever you need.

If it were me, I'd get the mk2. AWD, VR6, and plenty of room to expand. Keep the mk1 as a track monster.
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« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2011, 04:51:45 PM »

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?4695607-FS-88-Jetta-GLI-Syncro/page2
Yup, that's the one.  I've been PM'n the owner for the last couple days. The problem is that there are a few litle things wrong with it.  Like an inoperative rear seat.  Some gauges need work, some switches need work, some....lets just say, it'll be a BIG step ahead for me in light of the project I have, but it's also not a totally complete project
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Re: Local VW shops in CS or relatively close
« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2011, 10:02:07 AM »

RS is in Denver... I know the guy Joel probably has the most knowledge of all the Denver shops on the older VWs.  Im sure Hardy does as well, but most shops these days are more focused on tuning MK3 and up cars.  Not sayying that its due to a lack of ability really, but probably because the main customer base owning new cars need shops to do this kind of work.  Most MK2 and MK1 car owners pretty much do their own work.

Either way, to pay for something like this realistically is going to cost you WAY more than it would be to buy that Jetta down in AZ.  Im not sayying it's a fact, but when you honestly add up materials alone (shop prices) you pretty much could of bought the AZ car.  Do what you want, but I think paying a shop to do a project like this is probably going to run into the 10K mark or pretty close.  If you happened to supply the syncro parts and the engine, then you might be able to get away with a 6k pricetag.

Plus it's going to take forever.

If you dont believe me, maybe the fact I paid over 500 to diagnose my fuel issue (turned out to be a bad gas tank-I supplied the new one), an alignment and wiring up the washer fluid motor cost me.  Im sure the average shop fee is about 85 an hour.  Swapping an engine alone (simple bolt up, not wiring) would probably be a 20 hour job.  Im sure one of the guys on here who used to work for a shop could get you a more acurate timeline.


Also ask Bearded Brian how much he paid for his work and what it included.  He got great work for the price, but it wasnt cheap.

Rule of thumb to me is, if you dont plan to spend a few G's then do it yourself.
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« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2011, 12:51:14 PM »

Oh, I'm not going to syncro my jetta.  That would be insane.  I might as well by a new one, it'd probably be cheaper and everything will fit properly (not to mention a warranty).  I'm actually just looking to have the motor finished bolted and wired with the 'Rocco 16v harness I already have and make sure its connected to the body harness right.  I could probably do it with enough time (which is what its looking like its coming too) but I'd much rather have the engine wiring system handled by someone who's at least familiar with what they are supposed to be like.  I'd pay someone local, but the only guy I trust to do it is too busy.

I noticed you have BW looking at tweaking your Caddy, So I sent an email to them, I'll send one to RSMotorsports as well.  I have not been able to find 'hardy' ~ what's the shop name exactly?


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Re: Local VW shops in CS or relatively close
« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2011, 11:51:02 AM »

What do you mean, the rear seat in that Jetta is inoperable?

It's a mkII with a solid VR syncro swap, sitting on BBS RS wheels.

The wheels alone can sell for $1K to $1500.....


If you think that car is close to a highend price, you have been looking in all the wrong places... Especially in CO.

I think the last pair of VR syncro mkII's out here sold fo $15K +
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« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2011, 08:42:43 AM »

Personally... if you have the money and want something totally bad ass, there isnt much that can beat that Jetta.  A rear seat is no reason, just an excuse.  Im sure you could find a MKII rear seat for just about free. Tweaks and such are to be expected.

That's just my 0.02
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« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2011, 09:06:45 PM »

I understand.  I just can't get over the fact that if I drop half that money into my jetta it'd be totally awesome in its own right.  And I would be ahead 4k.
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Re: Local VW shops in CS or relatively close
« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2011, 09:09:01 AM »

Its still wont be a VR6 or all wheel drive.
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« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2011, 10:31:49 AM »

Its still wont be a VR6 or all wheel drive.

Truth. Half that money and you can probably get yours just running. All of that money and you'd end up with a quick, FWD 16v mk1 that still wouldn't be near the car the mk2 is. A lot of the parts on it look to be top notch too. Just try finding a Rally front setup. Last I checked they were going for ~$1000 for the lights, grill, and support. Body also looks to be in better condition than your mk1.
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« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2011, 10:44:48 AM »

very true Chris.. rallye front end for sale in CA right now... 8 out of 10 condition...


$1700 shipped.


Dont tell me it is overpriced... it is the only complete setup for sale right now. If I didnt OWE taxes, it wouldnt be FS....
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« Reply #13 on: March 24, 2011, 11:13:51 AM »

.... If I didnt OWE taxes, it wouldnt be FS....

Still winning huh?  Love the pic buy the way. ;D
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« Reply #14 on: March 24, 2011, 11:22:11 AM »

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« Reply #15 on: March 25, 2011, 09:07:02 PM »

Honestly, one of the hardest parts of getting that Jetta ~ as stupid as it sounds ~ is that I didn't build it.    I know, I know, but honestly, I like building stuff.  Did a little something with my GTI, now with my jetta, buying a pre-done car is ~ to me ~ like seeing some guy in some jeep with every bolt-on piece of crap ever produced.  Sure, they think they're cool, but I think they're idiots.  Build it yourself is the thought, but that's what I've been doing for the past 12 years.  Its hard getting out of that mindset.
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« Reply #16 on: March 25, 2011, 09:44:41 PM »

The way I look at this car is he's built a solid base. Go supercharger, turbo, or big N/A power with it. There's still plenty to do on the interior, and you can even still upgrade the drivetrain to a Haldex system with a 6 speed. There's so many ways you could go with this car, and the fact that it's a very capable and gorgeous car in its current form is just a bonus.  :t-up:

I'm personally tired of building things from scratch. It's nice to have a good base to start from. Think of buying said "built" jeep, keeping the Curie axles, Atlas t-case, Avenger supercharger, and putting in functional suspension and a cage. It's a good base that you start with and build on. There's no headache of sourcing the typical things you always end up replacing since it's already been done. Everything after the basics is where it gets fun and where you truly make it you.
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« Reply #17 on: March 26, 2011, 08:44:09 AM »

and its typically cheaper... :D
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« Reply #18 on: March 26, 2011, 03:11:30 PM »

I realize that this is a great car, and it satisfies my need to have something unique, sporty and fun.  But just because you put $30k into an 88 jetta, that doesn't mean the car is worth $30k.  If someone put that kinda money in a Scout (and I've been doing THAT for 12 years) its still worth $10-15k tops.  You simply DONT get the money out of a car that you put into it.  Everyone of us knows that ~ We've either lost our @$$ selling parts afterward or benefited from buying someone elses parts when they did.  Chris, did you get the money from your 16v when it was totaled?  

The way I look at this car is he's built a solid base.
Indeed.  And I've always liked those Jettas.  For some reason, his front end looks weird, and I'm not talking about the lights ~ I'm talking about the bumper.

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That said, I agree.  I just don't have the drive to build something from scratch like I used to.  As seen with my Jetta, its taken forever.  And its kinda pissing me off.

Okay, so I called him and talked.  Here's what I've gleaned about the car.

How long have you had the car? 1991  The car was bought for his mom.  Then his brother had it.  Then he got it.
Tell me about the modification: Complete strip down, every bolt, every clip was removed and the bodywork was done.  They used a corrado tunnel to make room for exhaust AND driveshaft.  He bolted the rear syncro suspension to the car and then took the rolling chassis ~ otherwise totally stripped to TSC in SanFran who installed everything from the motor and chassis to the interior.

Where did you get the Syncro parts and how many miles:  Syncro came from 1991-92 Passat Wagon that had a VR6 conversion. The motor is out of a 93 passat.  To adapt the motor to the trans, the bellhousing and exhaust manifold/downpipe was imported from a german vw syncro. The trans is a standard Corrado G60.  The conversion was started in 2003ish and since done has less than <1000 miles on it.  

Mileage on parts on the conversion: Most parts on conversion were used, but good condition, everything is factory VW.  Trans unknown mileage, Engine had 90k-ish.

What did you replace when conversion:
Clutch was new, passenger front CV is new.  Since the shop did the work, many unknown parts would have been used.

Why did you stop driving it: Wasn’t quite finished. Lots of things left to do and has no time or money to finish.  Already has over $30k into car.
Known problems:
Steering column rubber grommet at firewall was never installed.  Likewise there are several holes in firewall that need plugged.  Old harness holes, AC holes, many holes.  They weren't filled with now fills the interior with engine noise, heat and air movement.
The Corrado steering collum cover was never installed.  Lower dash cover that covers wires from ECU, center console, and such, never installed, wires hang down.  

Similarly the corrado Headlight switch works intermittently .  Sometimes the headlights simply don't turn on.  If you turn them off/on/off/on/off/on ~ they'll start working ~ but be very dim.
Rear seat is imply placed in the right spot.  Not held in.  The rear back support was cut out at the time of conversion and was never replaced, this means that the rear seat has no support behind it.  No seatbelts either (in back).  The front seatbelts are at the wrong height, makes it uncomfortable.

No front swaybar, and with the weight of the motor, there's alot of body roll and it doesn't handle very well.

How long has it been sitting  Not registered since 2008.  Driven intermittently to the corner store.

Fuel consumption: Highway 23mpg.  Hasn't driven on the street enough to know what city mileage is.  The biggest concern is the trans is a G60 trans with a low-geared final drive.  Will turn about 4000-4500rpm at 80 mph.  He has R&P from VR6 trans for better cruise.

What possible problems do you think it'd have driving it long distance: final drive too low.  Gremlins from not being driven/age.

What problems do you foresee using it as a daily driver? Comfort things.  Car is black, lets air in from engine bay, and has no A/C in Arizona.  Holes in firewall give unwanted air movement and engine noise.  The fuel gauge inoperative.  The light switch intermittent.  Headlights dim.  Its been sitting so long, and not driven much since conversion so there may be serious Gremlins.

Radio: No radio, just a placeholder that can be pulled out.



Your age: 39.  Unemployed, married, two children one 2yrs, one 3 weeks.

Engine modifications? Tuning done? Chip: Engine is completely stock other than exhaust.

If you were to keep the car, What would you change? (trans) Gearing, dash, seatbelts and rear seat

At that point, he started having family come over for a family dinner ~ or something like that.  I let him go.  I asked if he could start driving it as a daily driver to help figure out some gremlins that he may have forgotten.  He said that he was uncomfortable driving it long distance simply because he hasn't driven it for quite some time.  He did drive it from SF to Phoenix, but that was many years ago and the car has sat since that time.

Guys, I want this car, I really do.  I'm trying to figure out why I should buy it, but I have to say that getting a loan to pay for it will be next-to-impossible due to the age.  Which leaves me to less conventional financing (aka Credit Cards or a personal loan which carry a higher interest) rate.  

My worry is that there is obviously there's going to be some serious 'tweeks' that need to be done to make this a reliable daily driver, and for $8k, I was hoping for a little more things worked out.  So where can I turn for help with these many but relatively minor tweeks.  One guy I won't use ever again.  The other, who'd I'd like to use, doesn't have the time.  That leaves professional shops.  I'm sure any shop would love to work on this car, but at shop rate?  There's a loan on its own.

Needless to say, I've posted a new thread stating that I'm keeping my eyes open for a new daily driver.  I HAVE NOT ruled this car out, but without the needed support, I simply can't imagine buying ANOTHER vehicle that'll simply sit in front of my house ~ no matter how much the wheels and grill are worth.

EDIT:  The wifey poo-poo'd getting a different car.  I guess its this one...or...wel l, a 15-passenger van.  No, I'm not kidding.
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Re: Local VW shops in CS or relatively close
« Reply #19 on: March 26, 2011, 08:17:53 PM »

If you have to take out a loan, don't get it.

Everything wrong with it is rather easy to fix, just takes some time and is probably a bit tedious. Headlight switch thing is either a bad switch, relay, or improperly spliced wires at the headlights. It will nickle and dime you to death if you go through the hassle of paying someone else to do it, whether it be a shop or someone doing sidework.
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« Reply #20 on: March 27, 2011, 09:39:07 AM »

I thought you had the cash... if you are getting a loan for 8K (or more) and want something... buy a MKIV! -Hell you could buy Brandons VR6 GTI with its supercharger for a little more than 8k, I think he was looking to get 9k?  lol Seriously, you could get a great daily driver, four door... and with AC/heat and room for your kids.  THEN you could take your time and get the Jetta going how you want. 

Thats just my 0.02... and why Im buying a new daily VW when I get back so I can do justice on my caddy! w00t.
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« Reply #21 on: April 11, 2011, 11:54:27 AM »

Surprisingly I had today off so I started calling around to see what I could expect as far as $$ for wiring the front of my Jetta.  Looks like about $450-500 to have the engine bay wired up for me.  Not tooooo bad ~ if you know what I mean.  Anyone more local wanna take it on for that?
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« Reply #22 on: April 13, 2011, 09:15:57 AM »

have you removed all the crap and junk that was in there?  When they see it in person the price may go up to 700.  Good luck man, hope to see it running.
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« Reply #23 on: April 15, 2011, 07:21:24 PM »

have you removed all the crap and junk that was in there?  When they see it in person the price may go up to 700.  Good luck man, hope to see it running.
Yes, I'm finishing the interior ~ got the new gauges and all ~ cutting new dash panel ~ finishing up and tidying up quite a bit.  The harness I have has everything labeled, so I'm thinking of taking a crack at it first.  We'll see.
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« Reply #24 on: April 16, 2011, 09:06:29 AM »

pics... or it didnt happen
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« Reply #25 on: September 12, 2011, 06:21:05 AM »

Well yesterday I went through and tested my wiring skills.  Headlights, blinkers, parklights, etc. all fully functional.  Time to pull it to a shop.  Any new/additional thoughts?  I'm leaning towards hardy's.  But completely open to what's out there.
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« Reply #26 on: September 12, 2011, 08:05:52 AM »

Can't go wrong with Hardy's.  :t-up:
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« Reply #27 on: September 12, 2011, 08:23:54 AM »

Awesome Chris, Thanks.  Since I'm not working today, I'll give them a call right now.  Hey, do you have those bolts from your GLI?  I'm going to need them so that they can finish bolting in the motor.
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« Reply #28 on: September 12, 2011, 08:23:38 PM »

They walked off somewhere. There's three mk1's with the bolts you need at Upap though.
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« Reply #29 on: September 13, 2011, 05:59:42 AM »

They walked off somewhere. There's three mk1's with the bolts you need at Upap though.
Well yesterday I went into work and they put me on Shaw's route ~ well, Shaw was there and planned to work so.... DAY OFF BABY!  Hitched a ride home and started calling around.  Hardy's was busy, so was SportsCar Inc (here in springs), So was European Performance (also here), Kept calling, got a hold of RS Motorsports in Arvada ~ they could get to it later this week (as apposed to October or November).  So I grabbed my van, got a trailer from Uhaul, and took it there yesterday.  They couldn't get to it for a couple of days, but I really look forward to getting a call from them later this week.
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