Topic: Wouls like to buy 1.8t (Read 554 times)

rockinveedubs · « **on:** November 30, 2010, 04:49:29 PM »

Does anybody have a good 1.8t for sale? I'm just looking around cause I'm throwing around the idea of a 1.8t MK2 build. Super low budget and sleeper/ project look! LMK if any of you can help me out!

Zach

Blakester · « **Reply #1 on:** November 30, 2010, 09:22:31 PM »

Randy @ Sportcar has a core long block. Would need a rebuild and all the turbo junk.

Luckyy · « **Reply #2 on:** November 30, 2010, 10:36:51 PM »

http://metrodubs.com/forums/showthread.php?2124-Parting-out-2003-20th-Anniversary-GTI

90k mi, tbelt slipped, 400 bucks... might be a good donor.

vwunion chad · « **Reply #3 on:** December 01, 2010, 01:08:18 PM »

Is it hard to convert a mk2 to OBD2??

I was thinking about doing the same thing but i know if the engine you put in isnt OBD1 you will have some issues.. Or am i wrong?

Smokestack · « **Reply #4 on:** December 01, 2010, 07:16:49 PM »

Quote from: vwunion chad on December 01, 2010, 01:08:18 PM

Is it hard to convert a mk2 to OBD2??

I was thinking about doing the same thing but i know if the engine you put in isnt OBD1 you will have some issues.. Or am i wrong?

It depends on the engine and the mk2. If you're swapping in something from a mk3 into a mk2 with CE2 wiring it's a snap. Pre-CE2 cars (89ish and older) and/or post-CE2 engines (mk4s and newer) require some wiring finesse. I literally just finished swapping in an OBD2 ABA into my sister's 87 GLI with CE1 wiring and that was an involved process. Early 1.8t's would be about as hard as what I just got done doing, but later ones with an immobilizer would be even more difficult. You'd probably be better off going standalone.

scurvy_bandit · « **Reply #5 on:** December 01, 2010, 09:34:06 PM »

search the vortex for vdubspeed. He wired in a 1.8t pretty easily and said it isnt that difficult at all. I even think he has a "how to" on the subject+

rockinveedubs · « **Reply #6 on:** December 02, 2010, 04:40:39 PM »

I found a MK2 with a 1.8t harness already in it and texted the guy but he already sold it.

i would love to do something like this. i need to do more research. my mind is full of air cooled and not enough water cooled.

if anyone can post up some threads on this sorta thing it would be much appreciated. i have the Water-Cooled Performance Hand Book amd i love it! i have an 84 rabbit with a 1.8 swap in it but its my daily and i don't really want to do anything to it. Looking for an awesome project such as this one!

rockinveedubs · « **Reply #7 on:** December 02, 2010, 04:44:52 PM »

if i found a shell with wiring and used the harness from the 1.8t, would it all go together alright? not sure on what all is needed. K member? anything fancy needed?

Smokestack · « **Reply #8 on:** December 02, 2010, 08:17:51 PM »

If the 1.8t has an internal water pump you might need to do something special for a rear motor mount. Other than that the only other hardware thing you'll have to fabricate or have someone fabricate is the intake plumbing and exhaust. The 1.8t harness will need some wiring work to go into any mk2, and if it has an immobilizer you'll need to either run the gauge cluster from the donor car or send the ECU off to get an immobilizer defeat burned into it.

rockinveedubs · « **Reply #9 on:** December 05, 2010, 10:49:03 AM »

I read the engine swap section in my water cooled volkswagen performance handbook but it didn't say anything about the 1.8 turbo swap for the mk2. I guess I'll just have to search the web and do some research.

SwiftMKIII · « **Reply #10 on:** December 05, 2010, 08:42:53 PM »

Look through the hybrid/swap forum on Vwvortex. There are a couple threads in there and a guy in Denver that has a 1.8t mkii jetta GLI if you look around metrodubs and the rocky mountain regionals on Vwvortex.

scurvy_bandit · « **Reply #11 on:** December 06, 2010, 03:47:49 AM »

It makes it easiest if the 1.8T is from the older (pre 2000) audi 1.8t's that are also drive by cable throttle bodies instead of the newer drive by wire stuff that would require the pedal cluster out of the donor 1.8t car.

Talk to vdubspeed on vortex!!!
http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?4349470-Blue-gets-the-20vT.-Daily-driver-A-C-300hp.

rockinveedubs · « **Reply #12 on:** December 07, 2010, 03:30:52 PM »

If not 1.8t, what would a vr swap require? Which would be esier and cheaper? Both require wireing hrnesses. What are the pros and cons of either swap?

The Asshole · « **Reply #13 on:** December 07, 2010, 04:05:36 PM »

Quote from: rockinveedubs on December 07, 2010, 03:30:52 PM

If not 1.8t, what would a vr swap require? Which would be esier and cheaper? Both require wireing hrnesses. What are the pros and cons of either swap?

hmm depends on what you think is easy,

1.8t can use your current motormounts/axles tranny (?) and allot of things will bolt right up where the VR requires tranny, axles, brakes etc
1.8t requires piping and charge-cooling etc. both will have to be wired.

Smokestack · « **Reply #14 on:** December 07, 2010, 04:10:52 PM »

A VR from a mk3, b3/4 passat, or corrado will require subframes, radiator, transmission, pedal assembly from either a corrado or b3/4 passat, hydraulic clutch system, shifter box, exhaust, Corrado g60 speedo cable or mk3 cluster, wiring harness, and ECU. If the car you're putting it in is CE2 the wiring is mostly plug in play, otherwise you have to break out the wiring diagrams and soldering iron. If you pull a VR out of a mk4 you have all of the above with all of the headaches from the 1.8t you're trying to run from.

With a 1.8t you can keep your current transmission, subframe, and cooling setup. The only mechanical things you have to mess with is the plumbing for intake and exhaust, and a mount for the drive by wire pedal if you go with a later 1.8t. It all depends on if you want to change out all of the mechanics in your car (VR) or modify the wiring in it(1.8t) instead as to which one you want.

Smokestack · « **Reply #15 on:** December 07, 2010, 04:19:49 PM »

Also, cheaper is subjective. The answer to that question is based off of how much of the work can you do yourself and how much parts will cost. A VR swap needs more parts and can be more expensive than a 1.8t depending on the deals you can get. Also, pretty much everything for a VR is going to have a lot of miles on it and most things outside of basic repair items aren't made new anymore (pedal clusters, subframes). You can still pick up anything you could want at the VW dealer for the 1.8t. The 1.8t has less parts to buy, but since everything is from a newer car that could add a premium to the price on the parts.

To me a 1.8t is easier, but a VR swap isn't that hard either. I'd go with a 1.8t, but then again this is me I'm talking about. For you, you'll have to research the work that goes into both swaps and figure out what is within your abilities.

The Asshole · « **Reply #16 on:** December 07, 2010, 10:03:01 PM »

or if you want to piece it together you can do a 2.0T ABA/AEB drive by cable frankenstein.. ..

Smokestack · « **Reply #17 on:** December 07, 2010, 10:37:29 PM »

Quote from: The Asshole on December 07, 2010, 10:03:01 PM

or if you want to piece it together you can do a 2.0T ABA/AEB drive by cable frankenstein.. ..

I'm a huge fan of ABA swaps. They're cheap, bullet proof, plentiful, take boost well, aftermarket parts (like turbo systems) are cheap, and the only weird thing you have to deal with in the swap only comes about if you want AC. Adding a 20v head defeats most of the benefits of running an ABA, but it'd still be a cool motor.

scurvy_bandit · « **Reply #18 on:** December 08, 2010, 04:28:51 AM »

Also an AEB head on a ABA bottom end requires some work if I recal correctly. Otherwise people wouldnt be pissing money out for a 2.0 stroker kit.

The Asshole · « **Reply #19 on:** December 08, 2010, 05:56:17 AM »

Quote from: scurvy_bandit on December 08, 2010, 04:28:51 AM

Also an AEB head on a ABA bottom end requires some work if I recal correctly. Otherwise people wouldnt be pissing money out for a 2.0 stroker kit.

you have to machine, tap and plug 2 of the 5 oil return holes in the AEB head, the ABA block only has 3.

Barry · « **Reply #20 on:** December 08, 2010, 08:05:22 AM »

Quote from: Smokestack on December 07, 2010, 04:10:52 PM

A VR from a mk3, b3/4 passat, or corrado will require subframes, radiator, transmission, pedal assembly from either a corrado or b3/4 passat, hydraulic clutch system, shifter box, exhaust, Corrado g60 speedo cable or mk3 cluster, wiring harness, and ECU. If the car you're putting it in is CE2 the wiring is mostly plug in play, otherwise you have to break out the wiring diagrams and soldering iron. If you pull a VR out of a mk4 you have all of the above with all of the headaches from the 1.8t you're trying to run from.

With a 1.8t you can keep your current transmission, subframe, and cooling setup. The only mechanical things you have to mess with is the plumbing for intake and exhaust, and a mount for the drive by wire pedal if you go with a later 1.8t. It all depends on if you want to change out all of the mechanics in your car (VR) or modify the wiring in it(1.8t) instead as to which one you want.

To add to this, I am pretty sure the mkIII Jetta / Golf subframes do not bolt up correctly. The best fit is the Corrado, and the B3 Passat is damn close.

Additionally, the shifter box from the B3 Passat is NOT ideal. The cables are slightly longer, as the car is slightly larger, and with the extra length in the cables, they do not sit right in the exhaust tunnel. Matt's mkII VR6T car has a passat shifter box in it, and the shift cables had to be routed around the downpipe.

Smokestack · « **Reply #21 on:** December 08, 2010, 10:47:42 AM »

I have a b3 shifter box in my car. If you hadn't said anything I would never think there was anything wrong with it.

rockinveedubs · « **Reply #22 on:** December 08, 2010, 02:31:43 PM »

i've thought about the 2.0 ABA bottom end with 16v 1.8 top end. hear thats a pretty great set up. I just like the idea of haveing a turbo setup.

16vt 2.0?... are there any aftermarket turbo setups for this or would it be a piece together sorta thing?

Smokestack · « **Reply #23 on:** December 08, 2010, 02:47:20 PM »

Jeff (SwiftMKIII) has a 16v/ABA hybrid with a supercharger. BBM has the closest thing to a kit that you can find, but it's mostly piecemeal. Honestly, you're not going to notice much of a difference between a turbo 8v and a turbo 16v except for price. Your best bet is to get some practice with installing and upgrading a ABA turbo into your car. After that you can think about tinkering with doing a hybrid with either a 16v head or an AEB (early 1.8t) 20v head. You'll also have enough experience to do any other engine swap. You could even do the 2.5 I5 out of the MKVs and MKVIs (eventually this is what I hope to do).

rockinveedubs · « **Reply #24 on:** December 08, 2010, 03:47:50 PM »

There isn't much difference between the 8v and 16v ABA?

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