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MK3 or MK4 VR?
« on: September 05, 2009, 04:22:39 PM »

So with my new job comes a new commuter , i'll be driving around 100 miles one way atleast for the first 6 or 7 months, so what i'm looking for in this thread ,


 i'm looking at grabbing up a either a mk3 gti or mk4 gti  VR6 , and  yes a mk4 , i'm really not such a mk4 nazi as some of u think.

 what i want to know is which would be the better route for modding and DD , i know the 4's are newer , but i'm not sure the difference between the VR6's
i had a 99 vr jetta but this was before i was really into the scene . i'm going to be SC or going the turbo route . and i'm not sure who or were to look for kits that are pretty straight forward.

 i know some of you have or had VR's so any help would be great.
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Re: MK3 or MK4 VR?
« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2009, 09:14:21 PM »

So after searching the tex and some other sites seems that the mk3 stock will out run a stock mk4 due to the weight diff

 and if one wants a mk4 get a 24v and not mess around with a 12v.

 and the no brainer being that a mk4 is newer and will most likly have less miles onit.
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Re: MK3 or MK4 VR?
« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2009, 09:56:14 PM »

AND you could be a MD member!
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Re: MK3 or MK4 VR?
« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2009, 11:29:23 PM »

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Re: MK3 or MK4 VR?
« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2009, 11:33:39 PM »

mk3 can suck it... we all know if you get a MK3, just get tha bahn brenner kt and be done.

Oh yeah they are slower, lower compression and well... suck. (plus they are ugly)  ;D ;D ;D ;D

You should of bought barry's white one.

Carlos's VR is pretty fast, butB-dawg has a whistle tip.
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Re: MK3 or MK4 VR?
« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2009, 09:26:27 AM »

well i'm thinking most llikly a mk4 due to the fact that there newer and more comfortable to drive long distants , and it looks like VF is the only one making supercharger kits , i don't want to hassle with a turbo set up due to all the money for supporting mods even thou  i'll get way more power.

 
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Re: MK3 or MK4 VR?
« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2009, 09:39:26 AM »

just buy brandon's car, he may trade you a MK2 plus cash
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Re: MK3 or MK4 VR?
« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2009, 10:36:30 AM »

Here's my take.  Mk4 you get more creature comforts like heated seats (unless you get a mk3 glx), remote entry (can be retrofitted on a 3), newer gadgets and a cooler interior. It would probably be more comfortable on a long haul or daily routine than a 3, however they are more expensive to mod and things like to break more than on a 3. Mk4's tend to have issues w/ the brake switch, door lock mechanism, window regs, maf, and rear brakes. Thats all besides all the normal vr6 engine stuff that will happen on either generation (waterpump/pulley (if you are going to s/c it), chains (after 100K), thermostat housing, coilpack and crack pipe) except the mk4 also has bushings in the manifold that need replacing over time.

The Mk3 models have less issues overall and you pretty much just need to worry about the normal vr6 quirks previously described.  I have not had any issues with mine beside the thermostat housing and the waterpump pulley (but this was because of the pressure the blower puts on the pulley). 

Performance wise the mk3 WILL be faster, and has a better blower available (v1/v2 instead of the v9 on the mk4's). Obviously you can get a 24v in the Mk4 and s/c it to make it pretty quick too, however its going to be a bit more expensive, harder install and you get to deal with the lovely 02M 6speed tranny. (02M has the clutch slave cylinder built inside the bell housing which makes it prone to failure easier and requires replacing the clutch when it goes because it leaks all over the clutch disc).

Personally my choice is mk3.  I went from a mk4 to a mk3 and while I do miss some of the creature comforts my mk4 had, the 3 is more fun to drive, and has less issues. 
I do see your point about the less miles, but if you are just going to be racking up the miles on it anyways, get one that is less expensive to start with and would be easier to maintain.
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Re: MK3 or MK4 VR?
« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2009, 10:48:43 AM »

worst post ever.    :canadian:

the real benefit of a mk4 would be if you got climatronic.
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Re: MK3 or MK4 VR?
« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2009, 11:59:45 AM »

Los has a point i had a 97 GTI with a 2.0 , and in the 2 years i owned it the only problems that came up were the front wheel bearings went out other then that it was pretty solid car , i guess it might be worth spending a little more money on a low milage 3
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Re: MK3 or MK4 VR?
« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2009, 11:23:43 AM »

worst post ever.    :canadian:

the real benefit of a mk4 would be if you got climatronic.

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MK4 will always own MK3 in all terms of comfort, options, handling, upgrade options



If you like MK3 styling buy a MK3 jelly bean, If you like a MK4 buy a MK4

They have the same problems on both. Its just

MK3's shit out window regulators, window motors, door harness's, abs pumps

Mk4 shit out window regulators(which are cheaper than mk3), door latches, and they use up rear brake pads due to they are biased to rear to not have as much brake dive under light braking. Calipers will never seize due to alum, unlike the cast mk2/3 ones.
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Re: MK3 or MK4 VR?
« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2009, 02:45:55 PM »

Well it's not going to be either , my father in-law had a freind die and now his widow has a 02 crown victoria she is going to sell to me.
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Re: MK3 or MK4 VR?
« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2009, 03:59:38 PM »

Trade the vic on an MKIII
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Re: MK3 or MK4 VR?
« Reply #13 on: September 08, 2009, 04:03:04 PM »

Trade the vic on an MKIII TDI
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Re: MK3 or MK4 VR?
« Reply #14 on: September 08, 2009, 07:27:11 PM »

Well the wife is digging a crown vic plus i've had one before and loved it and how can u go wrong, they were ment to be hwy runner's
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Re: MK3 or MK4 VR?
« Reply #15 on: September 08, 2009, 07:33:44 PM »

my grandparents drove a Crown Vic :P
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Re: MK3 or MK4 VR?
« Reply #16 on: September 08, 2009, 07:39:56 PM »

how can u go wrong

It's a Ford, I think you might have meant "Everything is gonna go wrong"  ;D
Honestly, if the Vic is where you think you need to go, do it.  I can just think of like 20 cars worth about the same that would get you 100+ miles a day for a lot better mileage.

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Re: MK3 or MK4 VR?
« Reply #17 on: September 08, 2009, 08:00:46 PM »

100 miles a day on level ground, cruise control, and a light foot... 20-25mpg maybe
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Re: MK3 or MK4 VR?
« Reply #18 on: September 08, 2009, 10:45:06 PM »

Contour?  :'(
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Re: MK3 or MK4 VR?
« Reply #19 on: September 08, 2009, 11:56:16 PM »

mk4 for it's creature comfort, if you just want to drive it for work.

for daily driver + fun: mk3 vr6 gti
-I daily drive my mk3 vr6 and I like pushing the car to it's limits or cruise on the highway at 25mpg.
Imho it is well balance in weight and size.  I used to own a mk4 1.8t, corrado slc, mk2 vr6 turbo and this mk3 in stock form with an upgraded suspension wins for me. You can still feel that connection to the road and can toss it around quite easily.

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Re: MK3 or MK4 VR?
« Reply #20 on: September 09, 2009, 07:15:37 AM »

just to give you an idea of FE for a Crown Vic (depends on the sub-model though)... EPA rated at 18 mpg, with "conservative" highway driving I read a report of 25mpg...
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Re: MK3 or MK4 VR?
« Reply #21 on: September 09, 2009, 07:53:45 AM »

Mpgs arent really my worrie i just want a good hwy runner , cause the rabbit will be torn down and i'll start a actual rebuild onit , i havent ruled the mk3/mk4 out yet , i'm also considering a 03-07 hyundai tiburon, i have had 3 and they so far have been the best cars i've owned , SRT4, a mazdaspeed3/6 , audi S4, mustang cobra ,  are all still in the picture , and a couple other cars so i'm not set onit yet .


 i fly out there next week and i am going to check it out. see what kind of shape it's in
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Re: MK3 or MK4 VR?
« Reply #22 on: September 09, 2009, 07:57:00 AM »

I had a girlfriend that used to own a Tiburon... she also swore it was the best car she ever owned
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Re: MK3 or MK4 VR?
« Reply #23 on: September 11, 2009, 11:15:16 AM »

[back on original subject, which I guess is now off topic ??? ]

having spent yesterday evening helping someone replace a 1.8T in their Mk4... fuck Mk4s
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Re: MK3 or MK4 VR?
« Reply #24 on: September 11, 2009, 12:04:48 PM »

[back on original subject, which I guess is now off topic ??? ]

having spent yesterday evening helping someone replace a 1.8T in their Mk4... fuck Mk4s


MK4's are possibly the easiest of all generations to work on. Everything unbolts easily and either removes or moves out of the way.
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Re: MK3 or MK4 VR?
« Reply #25 on: September 11, 2009, 12:10:39 PM »

[back on original subject, which I guess is now off topic ??? ]

having spent yesterday evening helping someone replace a 1.8T in their Mk4... fuck Mk4s


MK4's are possibly the easiest of all generations to work on. Everything unbolts easily and either removes or moves out of the way.
I sure wasn't impressed...
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