Topic: Altituned (Read 1035 times)

gogotekno · « **on:** July 14, 2009, 04:08:55 PM »

anybody get altituned yet? Im contemplating using them for the new setup

yokust · « **Reply #1 on:** July 14, 2009, 05:05:07 PM »

Its written thru VAST Performance. All it is is an optimize of the program you already have. So they just adjust maps to be best for altitude for your setup.

In my personal opinion, its better to contact the original chip tuner and find out if they can make you a altitude program, so that you are not paying two companies for what one can do

gogotekno · « **Reply #2 on:** July 14, 2009, 09:07:10 PM »

Wow what a letdown..Who wouldve thought going from K03 to GT3071R would be such a PITA..

Smokestack · « **Reply #3 on:** July 14, 2009, 10:08:47 PM »

Outside of the mechanicals, what's so hard about it? Call up or e-mail a chip company and tell them you have a GT3071R with *insert supporting mods* and see what they can do for you. I'd imagine Revo, Giac, APR or even C2 would be able to help.

yokust · « **Reply #4 on:** July 15, 2009, 07:10:49 AM »

Contact Unitronics, they make a program for your car and setup.

Give them all the specs before you buy the chip of where you are, and what is on car

gogotekno · « **Reply #5 on:** July 15, 2009, 10:45:52 AM »

Quote from: Smokestack on July 14, 2009, 10:08:47 PM

Outside of the mechanicals, what's so hard about it? Call up or e-mail a chip company and tell them you have a GT3071R with *insert supporting mods* and see what they can do for you. I'd imagine Revo, Giac, APR or even C2 would be able to help.

Revo has moved on to development for the B7 the only person messing around with it is David Sarabi of Eurocode ,GIAC never went past the K04, APR would be difficult..I might just have to check out unitronic some more.

lnferno · « **Reply #6 on:** July 15, 2009, 05:02:42 PM »

I completely disagree with yokust. Remote tuning, when done through a competent shop (like Avalon) is the best way to take advantage of some of the best tuners in the nation. Your aren't paying two shops you are paying one shop for a tune that is completely specific for your car. You will need a wideband if you don't already have one. This is needed regardless of who ever you tune with.

yokust · « **Reply #7 on:** July 15, 2009, 05:58:01 PM »

Except from the Real Main tuners, they are willing to write you custom programs to you and rewwrite them with data logs you send in. The same thing you get by getting altituned you can get from one company.

Autospeed and Unitronics both do this with their chips. They have two forms of stage 3 programs, Off the shelf Stage 3, Or stage 3 w/revisions.

And its always smarter to have 1 company mess with your files. The more hands that are in there the more your program becomes like a telephone game. Let someone tune your ecu who knows how to write complete maps, and not just optimize them.

Altituned may be good for some setups, but in reality you should have just gone with a better chip company

lnferno · « **Reply #8 on:** July 15, 2009, 06:49:43 PM »

What Avalon/Vast/altituned did for me was way above and beyond "optimizing" my map. They wrote a completely unique and specific map for my setup. Actually, they did a couple of different tunes for me based upon my preferences. The value that Avalon provided was that they were able to provide suggestions and Input to Vast that took my already great tune to the next level with Vast. You have a choice. You can settle for a good tune or go with avalon and get an absolutely GREAT tune that is specific for your car.

GLIdin · « **Reply #9 on:** July 15, 2009, 08:23:21 PM »

Sorry to thread jack, But has anyone tried an Emanage Ultimate or an Apexi Euro?

yokust · « **Reply #10 on:** July 16, 2009, 08:59:32 AM »

Quote from: lnferno on July 15, 2009, 06:49:43 PM

What Avalon/Vast/altituned did for me was way above and beyond "optimizing" my map. They wrote a completely unique and specific map for my setup. Actually, they did a couple of different tunes for me based upon my preferences. The value that Avalon provided was that they were able to provide suggestions and Input to Vast that took my already great tune to the next level with Vast. You have a choice. You can settle for a good tune or go with avalon and get an absolutely GREAT tune that is specific for your car.

You obviously have no idea what they do.

They take the map you allready have, from whatever company you bought your stage 3 from, and optimize that map. By rewriting your maps based on your parts and options and where you are. Other main chip companys do the exact same thing.

I have worked with the Vast guys many of times before. Avalon is not the only company they do this for. Avalon just calls it altituned.

yokust · « **Reply #11 on:** July 16, 2009, 09:09:40 AM »

And i am not saying this is not usefull. For AWE, GIAC, and APR stage 3 setups that those companies will not rewrite programs for you. THIS IS GREAT.

BUT if starting from ground zero, you can invest your money into a chip company that will do that same thing for you if you do not already have a stage 3 file or setup

lnferno · « **Reply #12 on:** July 16, 2009, 01:01:39 PM »

I think you and I are saying the same thing two different ways. I originally had an OTS GIAC tune. Avalon and Vast had me scrap that ECU entirely and started with a clean slated and started tuning off a completely different ECU. Brian@Avalon was perfectly in tune (no pun intended) with what my goals were for my car and helped translate that with Vast to perfect the revisions to get the car to where I wanted it. Believe me, I was there for a lot of the tuning sessions with Brian and Vast. While it's Vast that's doing the actual tuning, Brian's feedback and input definitely helped them out with the revision process.

I'm not sure where the argument was invented that no one else does remote tuning? No one is arguing that, however, with that said, there aren't a whole heck of a lot of local shops that have the experience of altitude that we have to deal with up here and have such strong partnerships with leading tuning companies. Believe me, I did my homework a year ago when I wanted to get a custom tune. I'm not saying that there aren't other places that can do what Avalon does, but in terms of bang for the buck, and for local support, you are going to have a difficult time beating Avalon.

Obviously if one has worked at a competing shop, I'm sure that they'll have a different opinion and that's perfectly fine. Enough talking from me -- I'll let my logs do the talking.

Original GIAC OTS tune:
http://forums.audiworld.com/showthread.php?t=2413135

Initial impressions of Avalon/Altituned tune:
http://forums.audiworld.com/showthread.php?t=2413637

Altituned Tune w/logs:
http://forums.audiworld.com/showthread.php?t=2413715

yokust · « **Reply #13 on:** July 16, 2009, 01:24:25 PM »

Like i said i know what Vast does. When i worked at 3Zero3 Vast did the same thing for us on many other cars.

I have worked with Prince from Vast on many cars i have built when i was there. Using even C2 files to "optimize" for the setup and altitude. And it does work good, and by far better than off the shelf chip that they got.

But when using like Autospeed, Unitronics, and Eurodyne they do the same thing. But its not included in the base off the shelf price, it costs more to have revisions done after you(or the shop) send in your datalogs. You just get direct tuning with 2 companies that are by far more experienced in chip writing and the vehicles. And that is by no means any cut at Vast.

And the reason i KNOW this is because i was the one sending the logs into Vast or who ever the chip company was and setting up the revisions. I know how it works.

lnferno · « **Reply #14 on:** July 16, 2009, 01:35:16 PM »

To the original poster, there's a reason why most people on here take their car to Avalon for tuning

yokust · « **Reply #15 on:** July 16, 2009, 02:13:27 PM »

Yeah go to Avalon and get charged more like a tard

lnferno · « **Reply #16 on:** July 16, 2009, 02:24:15 PM »

Based upon the data that I collected at the time, compared to the other local remote tuner shops, no one was able to beat their prices. Again, to the OP, at this point, you can use the hard fact-based data that has been presented, or you can go off someone else's word that likes to use the word "tard" with no supporting evidence or data for what Avalon actually charges.

yokust · « **Reply #17 on:** July 16, 2009, 02:37:36 PM »

Obviously you have no idea what you paid for or were truely getting which increases your "tard" status.

But i am glad you like it, because like i stated it is a good thing in applications like yours where you you already have a base file to go off of.

BUT to the OP, invest your money into a better chip to start with, and maybe pay extra for the revisions of your chip for altitude from the company who chips it.

lnferno · « **Reply #18 on:** July 16, 2009, 02:57:16 PM »

Rather than playing the name-calling game, I'll again encourage you to look at my before/after logs. We're not talking subtle differences here -- there were significant improvements based upon the changes. Based upon most other cars with the same setup, many other people with the same and/or similar setup have commented that those were some of the best looking logs that they've seen up here at altitude for my setup. I don't want to sound like a broken record, but relatively speaking, I didn't pay that much money, compared to any of the other local (remote)tuners anyways.

For my own personal edification, I'd be interested in seeing different sets of logs at Denver altitude from Autospeed, Unitronics, or Eurodyne. Do you have any to share?

yokust · « **Reply #19 on:** July 16, 2009, 03:06:24 PM »

I am agreeing with you, you just dont get it.

If you have another file already and that company does not offer sending in logs and getting revisions. GET Vast revisions done. IT makes a huge difference.

But if you are starting from scratch, and just building your car. Contact Autospeed(2.7t), Unitroncs(2.7t and 1.8t), or Eurodyne(1.8t) and get a chip for your setup, and pay for revisions when you send in logs. Its cheaper and better. They build by far faster cars, than Vast (no offense to vast), and have had more experience in it.

lnferno · « **Reply #20 on:** July 16, 2009, 03:18:28 PM »

Like I said, I think you were trying to argue something different than the point I was trying to make.

I did my homework on this a year ago. It's certainly possible that things have changed in the past year, but as of then, Autospeed doesn't allow you to do your own remote tuning with them, you have to work with one of their partners, who in our case would be 3zero3 (didn't you say you worked for them at one point? I'm sure there was no bias there

). Called Unitronic to see what options they have now -- couldn't get a hold of a live person -- probably because of the 2 hour time zone difference -- that sux that I can't call someone in my own timezone and get local support. As of a year ago Eurodyne didn't do custom tuning either. I called again and apparently that hasn't changed. I asked if they have a partner that they work with that they could refer me to. They said "Nope".

At least we kind of agree on Avalon/Vast tuning thing. Other than I think that they would do a great job with gogotekno's setup as well.

yokust · « **Reply #21 on:** July 16, 2009, 05:20:46 PM »

I have no bias to Autospeed other than they make the highest known 2.7t hp known. And you cant argue that. So thats my only bias to them. I actually prefer Unitronics and have used it on acouple 2.7t builds i have done. And by far the best off the shelf chip you can buy.

And Eurodyne does not do "custom tunes", but they will sell you a chip and let you send in datalogs and get revisions to the chip so that it is optimized. I have done it to many B5 A4 1.8t's with them.

And going to Avalon and getting Vast, is no difference than going to 3zero3 and getting Autospeed, or going to Hardeys and getting Unitronics

lnferno · « **Reply #22 on:** July 17, 2009, 06:58:26 AM »

Quote from: lnferno on July 16, 2009, 02:57:16 PM

For my own personal edification, I'd be interested in seeing different sets of logs at Denver altitude from Autospeed, Unitronics, or Eurodyne. Do you have any to share?

bump

gogotekno · « **Reply #23 on:** July 17, 2009, 09:31:21 AM »

Im going to explore all options but Im going to do a bit more homework

yokust · « **Reply #24 on:** July 17, 2009, 09:40:40 AM »

Quote from: lnferno on July 17, 2009, 06:58:26 AM

Quote from: lnferno on July 16, 2009, 02:57:16 PM
For my own personal edification, I'd be interested in seeing different sets of logs at Denver altitude from Autospeed, Unitronics, or Eurodyne. Do you have any to share?

bump

I wish i did, they are all on a laptop that i do not own, and stayed with old shop.

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