Topic: Who to take it too... (Read 4188 times)

101stvet · « **Reply #75 on:** July 02, 2009, 08:35:56 AM »

your doing everything i've wanted to do for the 5 years in a matter of month's , now you need to buy the GLI from me and make that your track car

sad_rocc · « **Reply #76 on:** July 02, 2009, 11:29:39 AM »

Good deal! Dunno if he still has the time but Greggearhead on here knows his shit when it comes to porting heads. Might want to hit him up.

snoopy · « **Reply #77 on:** July 02, 2009, 05:27:58 PM »

Quote from: 101stvet on July 02, 2009, 08:35:56 AM

your doing everything i've wanted to do for the 5 years in a matter of month's

AHahaha... that's because I sold everything I had a payment on and can justify spending money on things that will last the longhaul. I don't drink, I don't smoke. I don't party ~ so what the heck am I going to spend money on? Really, please don't think we're rich, we make less than most people here, but MY WIFE budgets...and I get away with whatever she lets me!

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now you need to buy the GLI from me and make that your track car

HEY! No looking into the future man!

Honestly, we chatted about its (GLI's) destiny and I'd hate to see it go to an ungrateful owner. Unfortunately I simply don't have the $$ to put into it right now. My worry is that I won't have the kind of money you need for it (yes, I remember you told me, and it was decent price, but still) especially building the rabbit the way I am ~ but you know where to find me when you need the space in the garage. I never ask for anything for free, but I just can't justify buying another non-running rig.

snoopy · « **Reply #78 on:** July 04, 2009, 10:18:05 AM »

So I've been working out a plan in my head and trying to figure out the best order to do the mods I've got planned. I've noticed something from the ScientificRabb it.com site that personally would I'd like to see. Although they give some good data on what the intake will do to help, they don't offer much else. Basically I want to see what doing each stage will do to the over-all performance of my car.

So.... Is there an inexpensive place to dyno around here? How much is it to dyno a car? What's reasonable? I thought I saw a dyno at the DATR event that only cost $60. I'm seriously curious about what this thing will do throughout the build. In particular, I'm interested in what each mod will do. So, given I can space out the build enough (a.k.a have the money to do it) I'd like to put the thing back together and dyno it in stages to see where and what things help it.

My thoughts are:
1st run: baseline dyno in stock 'as is' trim. I already know my stock exhaust is severely restricted and you can actually hear it when you drive (that its plugged, sounds like 'tthhhhhhhhhh' ~ if you know what I mean).

2nd run: + Race header and TT exhaust (on its way)

3rd run: + Install 1987 Mk2 8v hydraulic head w/ .020" shave and 276 cam (have head, cam on its way, needs cleaned and shaved/Decked)

4th run: + Ported intake and Fox TB. (have TB, ScientificRabb it manifold getting built)

5th run: + Ported head (maybe distant future)

6th run: + ABA block swap (distant future)

7th run: + Turbooooo (way distant future)

This is not set in stone. I'm thinking this is the 'order-of-business' for the GTI, and probably the best way to go about putting the mods on. Each 'run' builds on the earlier run. Here's the reason I'm choosing this order:

First, it seems that the exhaust is something most people do, and its usually done first (since its relatively inexpensive) and requires the least amount of work/tools.

Second/Third, is a tossup between the head/cam and the induction (intake/TB). Sure the intake is cheaper to do, but you really don't see the gains without the head/cam being done. What do you guys think, should the intake/TB be done first, or the head/cam?

Fourth: Ported head. As I've already upgraded the exhaust and intake systems, and the new cam is allowing more air in, the next logical step is to port the head. The way I think of it is that the intake and exhaust can now flow more, the bottle neck in the system in the actual passages in the head. After this, the top-end of the motor is completely 'opened up' and there's not much more I can do 'up top'

Fifth ~ an ABA swap. Since the top-end is all built, the only thing left to do is the bottom end. So the 1.8 system will be swapped out for the ABA 2.0 ~ maybe a 2.1 kit! (now I'm really dreaming). I will add length too, or find another, header for this stage.

Sixth (and last) ~ Turbo kit. This is way in the future, if I even choose to go that far.

I assume that the later runs will yield less gains as you approach the limits of the motor, so I'm saving the most expensive/"more complex" stuff for the later parts of the build ~ which coincidentally also allows me to save up for the next them

~ so what what flaws do you guys see in my logic here. Again, I'm not a high performance guy anymore and I'm trying to figure out what seems the most logical order of doing things.

Any ideas/feedback?

snoopy · « **Reply #79 on:** July 07, 2009, 09:53:00 AM »

Well, I ordered parts mid last week ~ like Wednesday or Thursday from WRD ~ and guess what showed up Monday night?

I have to say, that the service was great. As those of you who've read through the thread, I normally gravitate to ND, but when I saw a race header in the classifieds, I sent a PM. Turns out that it was one of the employees of WRD and when I found out about them being a TT dealer, I had to ask what kind of price they could get me on the parts I've been looking at. Turns out that I got a great deal and FAST shipping all in one.

The smaller box from TT contained....

I will say that the performance valve springs are really for the 280 and higher cams. They allow the valves to shut faster, which keeps them from floating. Floating means that the engine is spinning faster than the time the valves can close, which means the valves never really close ~ they just float above the cam lobe. It happens when the valve springs are too weak (worn) or you're just revving it too much. The problem is that you experience (among other things) a loss of compression, can experience backfires, and at worse, hit the piston with a 'still open' valve = BAD :thumbdown:

Although I don't plan on revving the motor as high as some other guys (AJ

) I do know that I've bounced off the rev limiter in our old Mazda3 and I've gotten pretty far up there in the wife's A6 2.7t (don't believe I've hit the limiter in the A6 ~ ahem ~ yet).

So my thoughts are, if the mods I do really do liven up the motor as much as I hope and have been communicated to me. Then, chances are, I'll probably get a little addicted to some full-throttle action. That being the case ~ frankly it'll be worth having $80ish dollars of insurance in there ~ giving me the opportunity and ability to go higher in the RPM range if I so choose.

I simply can't help pulling everything apart and seeing stuff, so lets get to it. I was pleased to see that the cam is well packaged from TT.

They are wrapped in plastic, then the green plastic net, and over that, they get a decent cardboard wrap to keep them safe if they get bounced around at all ~ oh, and then that is put into a box.

Unprotected. Later today I'll drop these things off a Laniers speed shop get get the head milled and cam installed.

And of course, I did it all for the STICKERS!

Yup, came with the cam ~ Had I known I could have gotten them for 50cents, perhaps I could have saved myself some money!

Oh, and I did get another box straight from.....man, the name escapes me....

Oh yeah, WRD.

Yup, I picked up the MK1 race header.

The O2 bung above is for this. It didn't come with one, so I'll be taking it to the shop and adding it later.

101stvet · « **Reply #80 on:** July 08, 2009, 06:34:23 PM »

looking good man i got some super secret ninja turtle stuff

snoopy · « **Reply #81 on:** July 09, 2009, 07:14:42 AM »

Ninja Turtle stuff eh?

snoopy · « **Reply #82 on:** July 14, 2009, 08:24:53 AM »

Exhaust arrived yesterday!

Fishing for a wide-body kit. One like this:

Looks like you can get them new here: http://www.scch-heads.com/ Anyone know of a set for sale?

sad_rocc · « **Reply #83 on:** July 14, 2009, 10:48:07 AM »

That's probably your best source for new. Otherwise, just keep an eye on vortex. They come up every once in a blue moon. I prefer the clipper kit myself.

snoopy · « **Reply #84 on:** July 14, 2009, 11:31:37 AM »

I do enjoy the clipper kit also. Wanted to go with one in the beginning. But this satisfies my needs for big tires!

No really, I just like the way these look. Plus it'll give me better handling ~ I doubt the car will be that fast, but if I can carry speed through a turn....then perhaps I don't need the car to be that fast to begin with.

You know, I have a buddy in the auto body industry, I wonder what a clipper kit would look like with these flares grafted to them. hum......

scurvy_bandit · « **Reply #85 on:** July 14, 2009, 01:34:21 PM »

Yes yes and yes. Maybe you will have ALL of this finished by the time I get back! Have a little shoot out before the big project for me.

snoopy · « **Reply #86 on:** July 14, 2009, 02:59:20 PM »

Before and after the project of course.

Honestly, I don't know when I'll be able to get the head ported, and with everything I've heard about your motor, I may want that before we put pinks on the line

Hahahaha! I don't know if she'll be all that fast, just as long as she's quick enough.

snoopy · « **Reply #87 on:** July 14, 2009, 04:31:25 PM »

Quote from: scurvy_bandit on July 14, 2009, 01:34:21 PM

Yes yes and yes.

Speaking of which, what exactly are we 'yes'ing?

rcortez13 · « **Reply #88 on:** July 14, 2009, 04:54:16 PM »

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=4458624

Scroll down a little past half way, 2.0 16v complete with Motronic management.

snoopy · « **Reply #89 on:** July 14, 2009, 05:00:44 PM »

Gave him a call. Will see.

rcortez13 · « **Reply #90 on:** July 14, 2009, 05:14:06 PM »

I tried to read this thread but there were to many left turns. I could'nt figure which way you was going with your GTI. If you decide to go the 16v route I can help out or do it for a small price. If you have all the necessary parts it can be done in a weekend.

snoopy · « **Reply #91 on:** July 14, 2009, 05:50:56 PM »

Well, let me sum it up....

Right now I have a 1.8 crossflow w/ blown head gasket. After much deliberation (as you noted) I bought a Hydraulic 8v head from a 87 GLI. I had it milled .015" and put a Techtonics Tuning 276 cam in it. I bought a 4:1 racing header, and 2.25" TT exhaust (with magnaflow muffler). I also have a GTI intake manifold at ScientificRabb it.com for a full stage3 Port job and a Fox Throttle body going on top of that.

That is where I'm at. I can put the head and header/exhaust on it right now and have it running. Which I need to do now that everything showed up.

Later I'll be having ScientificRabb it do a Stage3 port/polish on the head as well. After that, a ABA block, after that (if I ever get that far) forced induction.

The engine you pointed me too would be a good addition for another project WAY down the line.

snoopy · « **Reply #92 on:** July 20, 2009, 11:26:00 AM »

Well, it looks like the color has been chosen accidentally.

The last few weeks we've been painting two Scout builds we have been working on, and one customer said he wanted 'silbergrau metalic pearl' its a 2006 BMW color ~ finishing off with I want it a dark metallic almost charcoal. So we had it mixed, and guess what... looks like Silbergrau is the light silver, the customer gave me the wrong color. So we mixed up some Dark Silver (off the Mini Cooper) for the Scout and I have a full gallon of 2-stage Silbergrau for the GTI. :cool:

A.k.a. ~ it should look just like the rabbit pictured above! :thumbup: :beer:

scurvy_bandit · « **Reply #93 on:** July 21, 2009, 03:49:25 PM »

Quote from: snoopy on July 20, 2009, 11:26:00 AM

I have a full gallon of 2-stage Silbergrau for the GTI. :cool:

A.k.a. ~ it should look just like the rabbit pictured above! :thumbup: :beer:

coincidence??? hmmmmmm

cant wait to see the car, have it on the road by 23 august?

snoopy · « **Reply #94 on:** July 21, 2009, 06:26:55 PM »

Coincidence... . I think NOT! No really, the paint the guy spec'd was not the color he wanted, so we painted it Dark Silver and I have a ton of the Silbergrau now....wanna paint your rig?

Had my buddy from the Saturn Dealership come by to take a look at the GTI. I'm going to get it to the shop, and he's hoping he can come by on Thursday to swap the head while I'm frantically putting 'Canuck' together (a scout I have to deliver by the 28th). Hope I don't have to drive on Thursday ~ that would ruin my plans.

scurvy_bandit · « **Reply #95 on:** July 22, 2009, 12:13:01 AM »

With a full gallon we could probably paint all the MK1s in COS the same color!!

Sounds awesome man, make sure the guy from the saturn place puts your headgasket on the right way and you use the dot on the back of the cam gear lined with the valve cover when #1 is at TDC - the bentley explains it all, just make sure you guys use the right tooth on the flywheel... we found out the hard way that there are about three different possibilities!

snoopy · « **Reply #96 on:** July 22, 2009, 08:16:18 AM »

Thanks. Its stuff like that which makes me glad I've got another person helping.

snoopy · « **Reply #97 on:** July 23, 2009, 10:34:04 AM »

Hopefully today's the day I get the GTI back running. The Header I bought used turned out needing some repairs ~ not blaming the guy who sold it to me, it was used, cheap and the guy I bought it from never installed it to begin with. Either way, it only cost $15 from Mike @ MufflerMasters off Filmore to fix it. Great guy, great work and price.

Stopped at Underpreasure Power & Performance and found out that three pulls on the dyno cost $65. Not bad. I'm definately going that direction when it runs. I'm seriously curious what this thing will do. Anyway, I'm just excited and wanted to share.

snoopy · « **Reply #98 on:** August 06, 2009, 06:35:42 PM »

After working for the last month (putting in 12-24hr days) turning a shell of a Scout into this....

I have enough to aquire and install a 2.0 ABA.

sad_rocc · « **Reply #99 on:** August 07, 2009, 08:32:37 AM »

Bitchin'! Get an OBD-I and you just need the bottom half.

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