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Who to take it too...
« on: June 15, 2009, 01:45:57 PM »

Well, my $600 84 GTI is finally going downhill fast.  Looking for someone local (Colo Springs) to do an engine swap in a MK1 for some $$ ~ doesn't have to be a shop, just someone who knows VWs and can do it quickly.  Can anyone give me a good lead?

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Build thread is here: http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3846817
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Re: Who to take it too...
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2009, 01:56:24 PM »

do you already have the engine?  or do I need to source one for you?

how about tools/cherry picker/etc?

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Re: Who to take it too...
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2009, 02:16:50 PM »

I do not have a motor yet but looking for one.  I'd actually LIKE to put a more powerful motor in it if possible.  Keeping my eyes open for a 16v or aba block to use. 

As far as tools and such, I have a welding shop with plenty tools and cherry-picker (engine hoist) if the person who does it doesn't have convenient access.  The car still runs/drives and is my daily driver (which is why I need to do it fast and can't have it down for too long). 
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Re: Who to take it too...
« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2009, 02:22:02 PM »

I do not have a motor yet but looking for one.  I'd actually LIKE to put a more powerful motor in it if possible.  Keeping my eyes open for a 16v or aba block to use. 

As far as tools and such, I have a welding shop with plenty tools and cherry-picker (engine hoist) if the person who does it doesn't have convenient access.  The car still runs/drives and is my daily driver (which is why I need to do it fast and can't have it down for too long). 
I'm more than capable of doing an engine swap, my problem is I don't have the space...

engines, your choices are:
1.8L Mk2 8v 10:1 (super duper easy to find)
16v engines (trickier and often junkyard ones have bent valves and require a lot of refreshing)
2L bottom ends with your cylinder head on top would be the best and easiest bang for the buck (just a matter of finding one)
-Audi 80 would be a direct drop-in
-ABA would require a new "longer" downpipe
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Re: Who to take it too...
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2009, 02:56:26 PM »

Do you live in Claremont Ranch?
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Re: Who to take it too...
« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2009, 03:36:10 PM »

Yes I do.  Recognize it?
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Re: Who to take it too...
« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2009, 04:53:22 PM »

Well i can help ed , also i have a motor but it's a basic GTI JH solid lifter , nothing fancy but cheap and allready out of the car :t-up: plus a tranny to go with it, i have a mk2 8v 10:1 comp motor in my rabbit , but dave's basic 8.5:1 8v with a cam will smoke me so you got more options other then putting all that money into a swap . if i were to do a swap it would be 16v the others are just to much $ and time and effort for so-so results
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Re: Who to take it too...
« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2009, 05:11:27 PM »

It really all depends on how fast you need to do the swap. If you need to do it like, tomorrow, then go with a decent condition 8v for cheap. They're easy to upgrade. If you have a little time, then we can suggest different motors to look for.
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Re: Who to take it too...
« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2009, 05:39:21 PM »

i'd go with a 2.0 ABA in a mk1, not the most powerful, but very reliable and fuel efficient.

115hp is pretty respectable in a mk1 performance wise, considering the weight of the car.

The swap is pretty straight forward if you are good with wiring the sensors and what not. aba will pretty much bolt up to any 8v tranny

think best foreign sells complete running ABAs for 400-500....
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Re: Who to take it too...
« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2009, 05:53:06 PM »

the easiest is ABA bottom end, JH top end... more or less bolts in like stock (except exhaust downpipe) and in "stock" form you don't loose a lot over the normal crossflow and you can use your stock ignition and fuel injection.
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Re: Who to take it too...
« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2009, 06:35:10 PM »

I would highly suggest just buying an ABA bottom end. I looked for about two months and had no luck even FINDING a Audi 2.0 that didnt need a rebuild.

If you buy the adapter for the distributor and the other block off plate you will be good. Also buying a cam, any cam reallly with an exhaust you should be good to go on reliable horsepower.
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Re: Who to take it too...
« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2009, 06:51:29 PM »

funny... as I already have a block-off plate and the distributor adapter & gear that I already planned to sell ;)
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Re: Who to take it too...
« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2009, 07:31:56 PM »

I'm in the 'grace' period right now.  Time isn't an issue as long as the GTI keeps puttin' down the road ~ which it is.  But its getting worse.  I'm starting to see puddles under it, the ALT light is at a faint glow under 2k RPM ~ and I'm starting to put water in it on a weekly basis.  In all honesty, it's holding ~ for the moment.  (of course, now that I've said that, its sure to die tomorrow).  :-\

Personally, I'd like to build a 16v ABA block.  Or at least an JH top with ABA bottom.  Here the problem.  I SUCK at mechanical.  I can build a roll cage like there is no tomorrow.  I can fab up some bumpers or a custom long-arm suspension all day long ~ but throw me at a fuel injection system that isn't a plug-n-play 'kit' and I'll pissin' my pants!  Not to say I'm completely useless, its just far out of my field of expertise.  Perhaps I can negociate a good cage with southcross's racer in exchange for some help. 8)  ;D

I've emailed/PM'd a few guys looking to acquire some 16v parts.  I'd like to go that route if possible.  The block-off plates and various doodads don't seem to be too hard to find/get.  But I've got as much time as my current motor graces me with.

Best Foreign seems to be the place to get running ABA blocks ~ THANKS for that tip.  The question is will it be better to get the injection system with it, or go with the 16v and go with its system.  What parts to get, and who to help/have put it in.  Which is why I started this thread.  I need help, and I certainly appreciate the great advice you guys are giving.

I work at UPS at the butt-crack of dawn, so I'm off to bed.  But I'm going to try to get a hold of a couple of you tomorrow. 

Thanks guys.
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Re: Who to take it too...
« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2009, 07:32:59 PM »

Here is a decent place to start looking for an ABA bottom end.
http://cosprings.craigslist.org/pts/1205062966.html

or here
http://cosprings.craigslist.org/pts/1177057893.html
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Re: Who to take it too...
« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2009, 07:44:52 PM »

How very nice of you!  If I knew how to give you karma points, I would!  :t-up:
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Re: Who to take it too...
« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2009, 08:44:39 PM »

Anything other than a straight CIS counterflow 8v swap is going to take time and some money. Going to a MPI injection system like what's on the ABA is going to be a pretty sizable wiring project. Dropping in a 16v would be easier fueling wise (both use a form of CIS), but you'd have to get certain parts off of a 16v scirroco to make it work (intake and exhaust manifold).

Answer these questions. How much time do you have to do this? How much money do you want to spend? What do you want out of it? It sounds like you need to do the stock replacement and then gather your parts for your swap to do at a later date.
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Re: Who to take it too...
« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2009, 09:18:43 PM »

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Re: Who to take it too...
« Reply #17 on: June 15, 2009, 10:49:02 PM »

If you buy the parts from Ed (southcross) and an exhaust manifold OR make up a spacer to fit between your stock manifold. I hope you arent running the toilet bowl exhaust. If you are, you should look into buying the downpipe for the ABA swap from Techtonics and buy a dual outlet from a guy I know for 70 bucks.

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I can help you also. We could swap the engine in one day and use day #2 to finish up the job. Ive grown to be pretty comfortable wiring.
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Re: Who to take it too...
« Reply #18 on: June 16, 2009, 05:42:00 AM »

You can't do an ABA and a 16v head. Well, you could, but don't. Get South's ABA bits or some other OBD-1 ABA bottom end. Then stick any old 1.8 8v head on it, with RD heads being preferable. You'll need to fab a slightly longer dp which is a snap. All wiring will be the same since you're using the same head. Just get Southcross's stuff (he's a very respectable guy) and be done with it, otherwise you'll be armchair building it forever with these clowns.

Though to be honest, I don't really understand why you just don't take care of what you have already. It's a DD and problems will happen when you're under the gun. If you ignore it, it will leave you stalled in the middle of a busy intersection in the rain while you're already late for work. Water leaking is probably radiator or hoses, a piece of cake to check out. You mentioned "puddles"; oil, tranny, other? The alt light means you're alt isn't putting out full juice and you need to replace it. Maintenance is a pretty standard need...

Check out this link, an oldie but goodie: http://www.driversfound.com/scirocco/techtips/engine/engineswaps.htm
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Re: Who to take it too...
« Reply #19 on: June 16, 2009, 05:55:00 AM »

Just caught up on your vortex thread. 8v ABA is where it's at for you. If you want ITB's, you need to get a set of motorcycle TB's, I forget which ones. If you go turbo, stack your headgaskets.
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Re: Who to take it too...
« Reply #20 on: June 16, 2009, 07:47:30 AM »

Going to a MPI injection system like what's on the ABA is going to be a pretty sizable wiring project....

Dropping in a 16v would be easier fueling wise (both use a form of CIS), but you'd have to get certain parts off of a
16v scirroco to make it work (intake and exhaust manifold) <--- Hardest Part
I really don't want to tackle the whole Frankenstein ABA ECU/Wiring/Etc... may as well go full megasquirt and be programmable if you wanted EFI

Motorcycle ITBs would require aftermarket EFI like MegaSquirt
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Re: Who to take it too...
« Reply #21 on: June 16, 2009, 07:51:59 AM »

You mentioned "puddles"; oil, tranny, other? The alt light means you're alt isn't putting out full juice and you need to replace it. Maintenance is a pretty standard need...
lots of little issues that need to be traced down and fixed, assuming they aren't directly tied to the old engine, will add significant time to "completion"... especially if its electrical in nature
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Re: Who to take it too...
« Reply #22 on: June 16, 2009, 09:38:09 AM »

I jumped in the GTI after my shift at UPS and started home.  White smoke something fierce till the motor warmed up.....
Though to be honest, I don't really understand why you just don't take care of what you have already. It's a DD and problems will happen when you're under the gun. If you ignore it, it will leave you stalled in the middle of a busy intersection in the rain while you're already late for work. Water leaking is probably radiator or hoses, a piece of cake to check out. You mentioned "puddles"; oil, tranny, other? The alt light means you're alt isn't putting out full juice and you need to replace it. Maintenance is a pretty standard need...
That's a GREAT question and a valid point.  To answer it, I build up Scouts. Having built many of them, I know that there are some things you do once, and some  you do over and over.  Some will do a simple mod, then wish they would have done something else.  Some scouts, see many versions. 

That said.  this car was bought for $600.  I've done a lot of work to it already.  Its always leaked oil and there is some funk in it.  I'd like to keep the car, but have some plans for it well beyond what it looks like now. I've sold my truck, and this is my only ride (other than a rusty scout at my bro's). 

This is a 'what the heck' scenario.  It would be quite easy to simply fix the current motors problems and go ~ just like you said.  But long-term, where is this GTI going?  Goodness knows how much money has been spent on things we ended up not liking.  With the car being in this condition, and my wife prepared for at least a little expenditure on its behalf, I figure the time is right to give the old GTI a little boost in the right direction.

My goal here is to do something that won't have to be re-done.  First, I built what I pictured, a decent GTI.  Suspension is taken care of, but what about the powertrain.  I'd like to do something that will last long-term.
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Re: Who to take it too...
« Reply #23 on: June 16, 2009, 09:40:43 AM »

the usual Mk4 addage

Power - Reliability - Economy (daily driver)

pick two
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Re: Who to take it too...
« Reply #24 on: June 16, 2009, 10:03:35 AM »

Power - Reliability - Economy (daily driver)

pick two
Hahaha ~ I love it.  Us fab guys say it a little different: Cheap, fast and quality ~ pick two.

Seriously though: Power and Reliability.  Assuming economy will be better than my 10-13mpg scout ~ heck, if its gets better than 20mpg, I'm good. :t-up:

Southcross, I sent you a PM.  Get back to me when you get a chance.
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