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[The Asshole]

no wonder CO earns more revenue than NYC from writing tickets......t his guy should be given a medal, not a fine. fuck i hate this state.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090226/ap_on_fe_st/odd_good_samaritan_ticketed

DENVER – A good Samaritan who helped push three people out of the path of a pickup truck before being struck and injured has gotten a strange reward for his good deed: A jaywalking ticket.

Family members said 58-year-old bus driver Jim Moffett and another man were helping two elderly women cross a busy Denver street in a snowstorm when he was hit Friday night.

Moffett suffered bleeding in the brain, broken bones, a dislocated shoulder and a possible ruptured spleen. He was in serious but stable condition Wednesday.

The Colorado State Patrol issued the citation. Trooper Ryan Sullivan said that despite Moffett's intentions, jaywalking contributed to the accident.

Moffett had been driving his bus when the two women got off. In the interest of safety, he got out and, together with another passenger, helped the ladies cross.

Moffett's stepson, Ken McDonald, said the driver of the pickup plowed into his stepfather, but not before Moffett pushed the two women out of the way.

When he awoke in intensive care, he learned of the ticket. "His reaction was dazed and confused. I was a little angry," said McDonald.

The other man also was cited for jaywalking, while the pickup driver was cited with careless driving that led to injury. Sullivan said the two elderly women haven't been cited but the investigation is ongoing.

[Rukh]

Yeah, I heard about that. It's fucked up.

[sad_rocc]

That's why you don't cross busy streets during a snowstorm with slow little old ladies unless you're in a crosswalk. I hate jaywalkers, they're a huge problem here in Albany. People just step out between some parked cars and you never know if they're going to wait for you to pass, or start crossing assuming you're going to stop or what. Then there's the ones that cross right after you go by so they're close enough to run their hand across your back bumper. While they glare at you like it's your fault for almost clipping them.

It's a sad story and some serious injuries and the ticket is a real kick in the balls, but sometimes I wonder if my mom was the only person in the world who taught someone how to cross a street. I don't recall shuffling little old ladies across the middle of it in a snowstorm being part of that discussion.

[Southcross]

That's why you don't cross busy streets during a snowstorm with slow little old ladies unless you're in a crosswalk. I hate jaywalkers...

thanks... I was hoping to not be the only one to point out why JAYWALKING IS ILLEGAL FOR A REASON

[formulanerd]

love this state... hate jaywalkers.


sounds like he was on the clock, and endangered those elderly, he's lucky he just got a jaywalking ticket. he could have possibly been charged with more and lost his job.

[RSR32]

that is too bad.

i love colorado.

try living in freaking texas for a minute..THAT state blows.

trust me.

[fotograf]

That is absurd. From the sound of the article and obviously not having been there, the old ladies were going to cross the street with or without him and he saved their lives.

[formulanerd]

That is absurd. From the sound of the article and obviously not having been there, the old ladies were going to cross the street with or without him and he saved their lives.

from everything i've read, it goes more like this.

he was driving the bus, he dropped them off and attempted to illegally assist them across the street, endangering their lives, the least he could do is not have them killed, and he definitely did the right thing by "saving them" but he shouldn't have endangered them in the first place.

a man of his age isnt going to be sitting in the driver seat, see them "in peril" then run out to save them, and successfully get there before a speeding truck... its ridiculous.... depending on the "old ladies" ages, they could be protected similarly to children.... would a 53 year old man who endangered 2 young school children get off with just a jaywalking ticket? i doubt it.


i feel for the guy, as he's going through a lot of pain and suffering right now for a stupid mistake, but i think the jaywalking charge is probably the least of his worries... and the story needs to get straightened out.

[fotograf]

from everything i've read, it goes more like this.

he was driving the bus, he dropped them off and attempted to illegally assist them across the street, endangering their lives, the least he could do is not have them killed, and he definitely did the right thing by "saving them" but he shouldn't have endangered them in the first place.

a man of his age isnt going to be sitting in the driver seat, see them "in peril" then run out to save them, and successfully get there before a speeding truck... its ridiculous.... depending on the "old ladies" ages, they could be protected similarly to children.... would a 53 year old man who endangered 2 young school children get off with just a jaywalking ticket? i doubt it.

They, as adults, made the decision the cross the street, yes? He didn't put a gun to their head and make them cross there. To claim that he endangered their lives by helping them crossing the street is ludicrous.

I read it differently, I think that they were going to cross the street, or he saw them crossing the street and, like any self-respecting man should, helped them. Could he have suggested they cross the street at a cross-walk? Sure. Would they have listened to him? Who knows.

Without us being there and seeing exactly how it played out, this is all speculation and we'll have to agree to disagree

[formulanerd]

from everything i've read, it goes more like this.

he was driving the bus, he dropped them off and attempted to illegally assist them across the street, endangering their lives, the least he could do is not have them killed, and he definitely did the right thing by "saving them" but he shouldn't have endangered them in the first place.

a man of his age isnt going to be sitting in the driver seat, see them "in peril" then run out to save them, and successfully get there before a speeding truck... its ridiculous.... depending on the "old ladies" ages, they could be protected similarly to children.... would a 53 year old man who endangered 2 young school children get off with just a jaywalking ticket? i doubt it.

They, as adults, made the decision the cross the street, yes? He didn't put a gun to their head and make them cross there. To claim that he endangered their lives by helping them crossing the street is ludicrous.

I read it differently, I think that they were going to cross the street, or he saw them crossing the street and, like any self-respecting man should, helped them. Could he have suggested they cross the street at a cross-walk? Sure. Would they have listened to him? Who knows.

Without us being there and seeing exactly how it played out, this is all speculation and we'll have to agree to disagree

legally there is a difference between adults and the elderly, thats why i said i'd like to know their ages.... but attempting to assist them to cross the street tells me they were elderly....

[oliver]

according to the state of California

adults 18-59
elderly 60 and above

that is 

[The Asshole]

the ladies got off the bus and started crossing the street. the bus driver helped them to ensure they crossed safely. the truck came and he made a decision that their lives were more important than his own...

my great grandfather pushed a 20year old coworker off the tracks when a run away train was coming through, saving his life, but he himself died. that boy became a doctor, and was my great grandmothers doctor when she went into the hospital with pneumonia, where she died 6 weeks later (at 106). before she died her and the doctor spoke and that's how we found out he saved him 50 years after the fact. and she died a happy woman.  (she and my grandpa thought he committed suicide)

that is called an act of heroism. just as a soldier is awarded medals when he 'lays on a grenade', this man should be commended as well. he gave his life (pretty damn close) to save someone else.

if you have a problem with jay-walking take it up with your senator, but don't bash a hero because you are too impatient and cant slow down your 2500lbs automobile (delaying you by a whopping 30 seconds) for a >200lbs person crossing the street...

[formulanerd]

the guy is far from a hero... you're reading the wrong story.

thats like me putting a gun to your head, but not pulling the trigger.... and saying i saved your life because i didnt shoot you... i'm a hero.

[Southcross]

the guy is far from a hero... you're reading the wrong story.

thats like me putting a gun to your head, but not pulling the trigger.... and saying i saved your life because i didnt shoot you... i'm a hero.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[punkrider99]

well the ticket definitely adds insult to injury (literally).  as if the guy getting fucked up wasn't punishment enough. 

i recently saw on the news that a woman was being charged with murder because she put her baby in its baby seat in the front seat of her car and the baby was killed when they got into an accident because of the air bag.  the women obviously fucked up and pays the consquence of knowing that her actions killed her child.  that's punishment enough in my eyes.  why spend the time and energy to add even more insult to injury and put this women in jail or probation or whatever.   

[Southcross]

well the ticket definitely adds insult to injury (literally).  as if the guy getting fucked up wasn't punishment enough. 

i recently saw on the news that a woman was being charged with murder because she put her baby in its baby seat in the front seat of her car and the baby was killed when they got into an accident because of the air bag.  the women obviously fucked up and pays the consquence of knowing that her actions killed her child.  that's punishment enough in my eyes.  why spend the time and energy to add even more insult to injury and put this women in jail or probation or whatever.   

ya... lets stop prosecuting people for their ignorance all together.  "oh... you did it by accident?  didn't know that shaking the baby would kill it?  nah... thats alright, go on home, you'll make another one"

[punkrider99]

didn't say not to prosecute but murder?  show me intent to kill and i'd support a murder charge.  it was obviously unintentional.

[Southcross]

funny... I thought that all cars were required by federal LAW to have warning stickers regarding passenger air bags and car seats.... maybe she just accidentally got confused and thought she was putting the car seat in the back, or maybe just maybe she ignored the:

http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=fc8f549b8b7aef7b83d4d3db39ca02b9&rgn=div8&view=text&node=49:6.1.2.3.41.2.7 .4&idno=49

[punkrider99]

yeah she intentionally put her baby in the front seat and got into an accident in order to murder her child.  send her to prison cause she's a murderer.

[formulanerd]

well the ticket definitely adds insult to injury (literally).  as if the guy getting fucked up wasn't punishment enough. 

i recently saw on the news that a woman was being charged with murder because she put her baby in its baby seat in the front seat of her car and the baby was killed when they got into an accident because of the air bag.  the women obviously fucked up and pays the consquence of knowing that her actions killed her child.  that's punishment enough in my eyes.  why spend the time and energy to add even more insult to injury and put this women in jail or probation or whatever.   

i see where you're going, and somewhat agree... but IMO law should be law, there shouldnt be any freebies... thats where it all starts... ya know?

yeah she intentionally put her baby in the front seat and got into an accident in order to murder her child.  send her to prison cause she's a murderer.

accidents happen.... people fuck up.... doesnt mean it shouldnt go unpunished.

maybe she shouldn't be tried for murder, but definitely wreckless/carless/child endangerment, vehicular manslaughter, or some form of manslaughter.. .. i know/see a lot of parents out there who dont do the most for their child...even my family, sometimes i see carseats a little too loose, hell my wife doesnt always tighten the 5pt harness on my son as much as i'd like to see her do.... i hate leaving them with her family because i worry they'll fuck something up, unintentionall y, as many people do.... there should be required classes, not because people are stupid, just ignorant..... eager to turn a rear facing seat forward too early.... eager to remove the booster seat too early... etc. my son will be in a seat, and then a booster until he is physically unable to fit in one.

funny... I thought that all cars were required by federal LAW to have warning stickers regarding passenger air bags and car seats...

definitely required, actually my wife just got new visors because one started to peel and there was a recall.... they're more concerned iwth the sticker than a malfunctioning visor.

[Southcross]

yeah she intentionally put her baby in the front seat and got into an accident in order to murder her child.  send her to prison cause she's a murderer.

so anyone that commits child endangerment and accidentally kills the child should get a slap on the wrist... works for me 

[Barry]

If you think going to prison for anything is a slap on the wrist Ed, you obviously havent been anywhere close to being in prison....


Nate never said slap her on the wrist and send her on her way... manslaughter still carries prison time the last time I checked....

[formulanerd]

If you think going to prison for anything is a slap on the wrist Ed, you obviously havent been anywhere close to being in prison....


Nate never said slap her on the wrist and send her on her way... manslaughter still carries prison time the last time I checked....

no, he said she had suffered enough, and why waste time even putting her in jail OR on probation.... that would definitely be a slap on the wrist.

[Barry]

meh... so he did....


I think she can stand to serve some jail time for stupiditty

[Southcross]

If you think going to prison for anything is a slap on the wrist Ed, you obviously havent been anywhere close to being in prison....


Nate never said slap her on the wrist and send her on her way... manslaughter still carries prison time the last time I checked....

no, he said she had suffered enough, and why waste time even putting her in jail OR on probation.... that would definitely be a slap on the wrist.

thanks

[VWO4L]

So, does this mean CO might blow less now?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29429591 - Colorado reconsiders good Samaritan's ticket

[punkrider99]

If you think going to prison for anything is a slap on the wrist Ed, you obviously havent been anywhere close to being in prison....


Nate never said slap her on the wrist and send her on her way... manslaughter still carries prison time the last time I checked....

no, he said she had suffered enough, and why waste time even putting her in jail OR on probation.... that would definitely be a slap on the wrist.

slap on the wrist?  okay, a murder charge is ludicrous.  so murder gets dropped in favor of manslaughter.  they plea it out because yes it was an accident and the chick doesn't see the inside of a jail and gets probation.  probation.  gotta check in with a p.o. and not break any other laws and not commit manslaughter again.  THIS WOULD BE A TOTAL WASTE OF ANY ONES TIME OR TAX PAYERS DOLLARS.  seriously, think about it.  isn't punishment meant to be corrective conditioning?  i guess putting her on probation or whatever will effectively teach this women to never ever make a mistake again. 

[punkrider99]

point is is that the punishment should match the crime and provide effective means to prevent the crime from occuring again. 

go ahead and be a douche bag and twist my words and make it seem like i'm saying don't prosecute people for shaking babies but look at the particular details of this particular situation.  use your fucking head.

[The Asshole]

murder by definition is the intentional killing of another human. the lady  did not intentionally put the kid in the frint then intentionally ram another car or wall
 
being a dumbass, who killed her own child through her retardedness, is not an intentional act. homicide without intent is called manslaughter, carries half the penalty of murder think 5-8 she is home ins 2.5-4 years and on probation for 10.

and BOT, im glad they are considering removing the ticket.

[punkrider99]

and BOT, im glad they are considering removing the ticket.

me too.  that ticket made the csp look like a bunch of assholes which they are but this would really exemplify that.

[sad_rocc]

thanks... I was hoping to not be the only one to point out why JAYWALKING IS ILLEGAL FOR A REASON

Wow, I expected to get ripped a new one for my "insensitivity". This is E719 tho...

Someone said "Just slow down for 30sec". Here, I have a very good feeling many of the people that I described in my 1st post don't really care much if you stop or don't. If you don't, they'll get lightly clipped and sue your ass into the ground. And sometimes I think they just enjoy the opportunity to curse someone out, flip them off and threaten them. Albany's a great city.