Topic: I put my CAT back in... (Read 694 times)

Gallep · « **on:** February 17, 2009, 01:47:28 PM »

for my emission test this morning. Emission testing has gone a long way since the last time I messed with it. Last time i did an emission's was at the jiffy lube south/west in the Chapel Hills Mall parking lot. That was about 8 years ago. Now the State ran Air Care Colorado sites have AWD dyno's and shit. I'm was just going to try and see if my Test Pipe would sneak past but I'm glad I had an ounce of common sense and motivation to swap in that CAT cause while I was there this morning, a ricer civic had a test pipe and his ass got fined.

Side Note:

REVO File passes just fine

Other Side Note: The Test Pipe is going back in

punkrider99 · « **Reply #1 on:** February 17, 2009, 01:48:18 PM »

revo file on stock or performance?

Giggidy · « **Reply #2 on:** February 17, 2009, 01:51:35 PM »

Wow when did they start fining you for failing? I thought failing and not registering your car was punishent for not passing.

Gallep · « **Reply #3 on:** February 17, 2009, 01:53:58 PM »

Quote from: punkrider99 on February 17, 2009, 01:48:18 PM

revo file on stock or performance?

Performance
Settings present during Emission Test;

Boost = 9

Fuel = 9

Timing = 3

Emission Results;

HC GPM = 0.0759 Max Allowed = 1.2000
CO GPM = 2.0175 Max Allowed = 15.0000
NOx GPM = 0.2626 Max Allowed = 1.5000

Smokestack · « **Reply #4 on:** February 17, 2009, 01:54:49 PM »

Fucking CARB wanna be Nazi's. Honestly, if you meet and beat the emissions requirements coming out of the tailpipe, why should they care if you have an airpump, cat, or stock airfilter? They can keep driving their damn Prius and remain confident that they're better than the punk kid in the cat-less honda.

Gallep · « **Reply #5 on:** February 17, 2009, 01:55:09 PM »

Quote from: Giggidy on February 17, 2009, 01:51:35 PM

Wow when did they start fining you for failing? I thought failing and not registering your car was punishent for not passing.

They spotted an Illegal Test Pipe resulting in a fine tampering/removing emission related items.

German Boy · « **Reply #6 on:** February 17, 2009, 02:02:12 PM »

well I am not sad for a ricer. That's the difference between us and them. COMMON SENSE! I run a test pipe with APR file, here in Germany. Been dogging the po po here too. But good on you pete!

Gallep · « **Reply #7 on:** February 17, 2009, 02:06:54 PM »

Yeah, just as they pulled my car on the dyno I suddenly realized what settings I had on my REVO and started to freak out. But if I failed, I just would have set everything to stock, drove back around for the free re-test. It was funny though, after the tech pulled my car on the dyno, he was more interested in how I had my V1 hardwired then his clutch work…he stalled it.

German Boy · « **Reply #8 on:** February 17, 2009, 02:08:59 PM »

what is the fine for such a violation as test pipe?

Gallep · « **Reply #9 on:** February 17, 2009, 02:16:19 PM »

Quote from: German Boy on February 17, 2009, 02:08:59 PM

what is the fine for such a violation as test pipe?

Not sure, I just over heard the ricer dude challenging a “CAT fine” with the cashier then the door closed behind him.

LOS · « **Reply #10 on:** February 17, 2009, 02:23:05 PM »

Thats why you dont live in denver lol no emissions here

German Boy · « **Reply #11 on:** February 17, 2009, 02:26:52 PM »

I remeber rolln in denver and shutting my car off coasting through, after pete told me what those vans on the side of the road by the off ramps were. you saved my ass. Just curious what my car would run with pipe and tune. see if the hippies are right.

LOS · « **Reply #12 on:** February 17, 2009, 02:45:34 PM »

I think it would pass, my old 1.8T Jetta had apr program and no cat and it passed emissions! I had to use the vagcom to get the cel to turn on before I pulled the car in though. Funny as the guy climbed under neath, didn't see a cat, gave me an evil smile (probably thought I pulled the bulb on the cluster) and then pluged in a scan tool. The look on his face was priceless when he didn't get a code! Car passed just fine though.

fotograf · « **Reply #13 on:** February 17, 2009, 11:49:00 PM »

Wow, they're fining for no cat? I had no cat when I got the GTI tested before selling it and they didn't fine me thank God. I've heard the fine is up to 10k.

Kittrell · « **Reply #14 on:** February 20, 2009, 11:12:27 AM »

Yeah, it's kind of a Federal Offense to take your cat off........... ...

Barry · « **Reply #15 on:** February 20, 2009, 11:28:01 AM »

yeah... it would be pretty hard to prove that you were the person that actually took the cat off in a court of law... fine was probably around $100... enough to piss you off, but not enough to take it to court over....

For what it's worth... I have had several emission tests when I had my 5.0L's with no cats, and all pass...

You just have to run a shitload of octane booster on a almost empty tank when you are getting ready to pull into the test station.

Giggidy · « **Reply #16 on:** February 20, 2009, 11:34:08 AM »

when my pos dsm didn't pass i waited till it was almost empty and put a bottle of rubbing alchy in it.... it passed.

Southcross · « **Reply #17 on:** February 20, 2009, 11:35:25 AM »

Quote from: GotMyDub on February 20, 2009, 11:28:01 AM

You just have to run a shitload of octane booster on a almost empty tank when you are getting ready to pull into the test station.

E85 (mix of about 3:1) added to a total of less than 1/4 tank will pass just about anything, plus, it won't harm anything with that low of a concentration

LOS · « **Reply #18 on:** February 20, 2009, 01:39:34 PM »

WTF? Because of the higher octane ED??
And why did rubbing alcohol work?

Southcross · « **Reply #19 on:** February 20, 2009, 01:45:01 PM »

alcohol (also in E85

) releases oxygen when its burned... more oxygen means more Hydrocarbons are converted and the more CO turned to CO2, the two things that often cause failures in emissions testing

Giggidy · « **Reply #20 on:** February 20, 2009, 01:52:44 PM »

Also it burn longer and hotter than gasoline, ridding more polutants. Here is an interesting article about it...

http://www.slidewaysonline.com/?q=node/23

LOS · « **Reply #21 on:** February 20, 2009, 02:25:03 PM »

Hmm couldn't the alcohol fuck up sensors and shit though? I'm assumng you use a small amount eh?

Southcross · « **Reply #22 on:** February 20, 2009, 02:36:38 PM »

Quote from: LOS on February 20, 2009, 02:25:03 PM

Hmm couldn't the alcohol fuck up sensors and shit though? I'm assumng you use a small amount eh?

Carlos man... catch up to the year 2000 already

it can fool the oxygen sensor into thinking its running lean (on a N/A car) or think that its running Stoich (on a Forced induction car).... on a car not designed to run E85 it can eat rubber (non-nytrile/non-plastics) hoses and unplated Aluminum (annodized alumimum is OK). All modern fuel injectors are typically E85 compatible. All fuels presently contain ethanol (usually 5-10-15%)... running 3:1 strength (3gal gasoline to 1gal E85) isn't going to do jack shit to your car. if your paranoid, after you pass emissions, you can immediately go and fill your tank full with premium. This trick gets used a LOT by Mk1 owners who can't pass emissions... ask Skurv

LOS · « **Reply #23 on:** February 20, 2009, 02:39:12 PM »

I was more talking about pouring rubbing alcohol into your tank... the e85 mix is just a lil heavier than the oxygenated stuff you get at the pump that they put 10% ethanol into...

Southcross · « **Reply #24 on:** February 20, 2009, 02:41:17 PM »

rubbing alcohol also has water... i.e. if its 80% alcohol, the other 20% is water...

LOS · « **Reply #25 on:** February 20, 2009, 02:45:48 PM »

Hmm... wouldn't you want the 95% or 100% rubbing alcohol?
<--- Bored at work...

German Boy · « **Reply #26 on:** February 20, 2009, 03:01:33 PM »

southcross you are very wise I, am interested in this. continue

Southcross · « **Reply #27 on:** February 20, 2009, 03:15:34 PM »

Quote from: LOS on February 20, 2009, 02:45:48 PM

Hmm... wouldn't you want the 95% or 100% rubbing alcohol?
<--- Bored at work...

well... you don't need higher %... you just don't want any lower really

the water (in very sparing amounts) will also in effect cause a lower flame front temp, lower exhaust temp = lower nitrogen in your exhaust = gooder emissions. Same as running Water-Methanol spray.. BUT... running a lot of water through your injectors is a bad thing, but in a stable mix with Alcohol, it won't pose any damage to the pintles. Higher alcohol percentages can typically be purchased (up to 98%?) in drug stores. I don't know about Water-Meth to pass emissions.... where is Greg? LOL!

LOS · « **Reply #28 on:** February 20, 2009, 03:23:03 PM »

Well it sounds like water meth will do exactly that... more oxygen and lower exhaust temps as I know the water also helps cool the charge on force fed cars.
In my case Im really going to use it to keep from having to run an intercooler when I bump the boost to 12lbs and it will make my car run more consistent since the air going in the chamber will stay the same temps instead of rising the more I drive it as it does now.
Nate also said I can just run reg pump gas instead of premy, but I'll probably still feed my car 91...

Southcross · « **Reply #29 on:** February 20, 2009, 03:28:38 PM »

Quote from: LOS on February 20, 2009, 03:23:03 PM

Well it sounds like water meth should do exactly that

in theory yes... but I haven't heard anyone specifically use water-meth for passing emissions... a $4 bottle of alcohol vs a $400 water-Meth setup. I would like to see though a pair of emissions tests "before" and "after". Bottles of Alcohol and E85 mixes are proven to pass emissions... unless your car is so ungodly out of spec running race gas or something. Oh ya... Sunnoco 114 Race gas.... YOU WILL FAIL LOL!

German Boy · « **Reply #30 on:** February 20, 2009, 03:30:06 PM »

I run 93octane 98 RON when I run my meth on 100 tune. I have run 89octane 91 RON with meth and without logging, it felt a little less but not much. But I definitely can feel the consistency in the pulls, with meth. I just got smarter today. thanks

LOS · « **Reply #31 on:** February 20, 2009, 03:36:41 PM »

Sweet. Yeah Im gonna stay with the 91, for me its more about consistency and cooling that charge. Car should run stronger too since it wont have to dial back the timing...

RSR32 · « **Reply #32 on:** March 15, 2009, 08:59:28 AM »

Love the chemistry lesson.

at the laboratory I work at there a few other things that...namely organic solvents or strong oxidizers that will pretty much donate oxygen molecules willingly.

One of the most fun ones is Toluene...

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