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With gas prices on the rise...
« on: August 07, 2008, 12:23:16 PM »

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Re: With gas prices on the rise...
« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2008, 01:04:28 PM »

I am actually going to be watching for a small down surge...give or take in the range of $3.50/gal by Sept.  I know I might be crazy but I have been watching the market pretty closely and I think there is going to be a little relief. 
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Re: With gas prices on the rise...
« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2008, 02:05:10 PM »

On the rise?

They've been steadily going down here in the South the past couple weeks
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Re: With gas prices on the rise...
« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2008, 02:07:37 PM »

Here too. Oddly, prices are varying by quite a bit which is unusual. Prices here range from about $4.09 to $3.95 (in the same town). Traveled to somewhere a little more rural today and it was $3.85 (cash price)!
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Re: With gas prices on the rise...
« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2008, 02:30:24 PM »

First time I filled up the touareg full tank.... $83.... not so ouch
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Re: With gas prices on the rise...
« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2008, 02:44:03 PM »

wife just filled up the jetta.... $50.01

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Re: With gas prices on the rise...
« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2008, 02:47:27 PM »

I just saw today academy and woodmen shell is 3:65 for low!
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Re: With gas prices on the rise...
« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2008, 03:13:21 PM »

Gas should have been on a slow decline over the last 3 weeks.  Today was the first day it didn't close on a lower point than the day before in 21 days and that is due to speculation about Iran and what they are doing with Nuclear power.  Like I said earlier though...I would expect it to drop to about $3.50/gal around labor day. 
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Re: With gas prices on the rise...
« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2008, 03:52:31 PM »

I paid more today at the same station than I did last week.  Guess I should be watching closer.  I'll be real happy if prices are actually on the decline.
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Re: With gas prices on the rise...
« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2008, 04:01:41 PM »

i'm gald i'm only paying $90 to fill up my truck instead of the  $140 i was paying in cali
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Re: With gas prices on the rise...
« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2008, 11:51:57 AM »

Looks like gas should be dropping again after todays market response.  Its down to $116 a barrell versus $147 a barrell in mid July. 
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Re: With gas prices on the rise...
« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2008, 01:02:20 PM »

problem is, gas stations claim to have paid the price at 147 so they are slow to decline the price untill they buy more gas. However when the stuff goes up in price, next day you will see those pricks out there raisin the #'s.
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Re: With gas prices on the rise...
« Reply #12 on: August 08, 2008, 01:42:13 PM »

True...and to a certain extent it is the truth.  Reality is hat a big portion of why the prices are dropping is because there is a real fear that Americans will start to really stop driving.  Except for necessities... and with that being said, speculation is driving the price down.  Another great thing is that the US dollar rebounded some today against other markets and that has changed the pricing...Hope fully this is a sign of better things to come. 
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Re: With gas prices on the rise...
« Reply #13 on: August 08, 2008, 11:06:37 PM »

i hope they go down. with the mk2 wrecked and the mk4 still in the shop, i'm tired of filling up a sequoia.
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Re: With gas prices on the rise...
« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2008, 02:05:26 AM »

well the titan usually takes around 100 by the time I fill it up, I've noticed that my mileage goes down when people hop in the driver's seat and do doughnuts in the PPCC parking lot with it, then proceed to get pulled over or it. Not to mention any names but here is  portrait of this person........

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Re: With gas prices on the rise...
« Reply #15 on: August 10, 2008, 04:16:12 PM »

problem is, gas stations claim to have paid the price at 147 so they are slow to decline the price untill they buy more gas. However when the stuff goes up in price, next day you will see those pricks out there raisin the #'s.

It's really not that they paid the $147 up until now, especially since the prices have been dropping.  But, you will always see the prices drop more slowly than they rise.  Say you buy a shipment of gas.  The next day oil prices jump up.  You already know that the next shipment you receive will be more expensive than the last one and you have to pay for them up front as well.  So, you raise your prices to be sure that you can afford the next shipment(recall that individual stations don't make much on the gas itself at all as it is).

But, when prices go down, you have a bit more breathing room.  With rising prices, stations tend to price fuel even more competitively since consumers tend to watch out for every penny when the price is as high as it was.  But, when prices are falling, consumer don't tend to shop as competitively and will be more willing to pay a few pennies more than at a station several blocks away.  This allows the stations to recover some of the lost income they didn't get when the prices were high and the profit margins extremely thin.

This is basically a regurgitation of a story I recalled reading on MSN I think.  if I can find it, I'll post the link.  This is just what I recalled from it.
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Re: With gas prices on the rise...
« Reply #16 on: August 11, 2008, 11:05:44 AM »

Here is an interesting article I just read...Could be very interesting.

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WASHINGTON -- The price of retail gasoline would fall by half, to around $2 a gallon, within 30 days of passage of a law to limit speculation in energy markets, four energy analysts told Congress on Monday. Testifying to a House Energy and Commerce Committee subcommittee, Michael Masters of Masters Capital Management said the price of crude oil would drop closer to its marginal cost of around $65 to $75 a barrel, about half the current $135. Fadel Gheit of Oppenheimer & Co., Edward Krapels of Energy Security Analysis and Roger Diwan of PFC Energy agreed with Masters' assessment at the hearing. Other witnesses say speculators aren't a major factor in oil prices, however.

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http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/industries/energy/gas-prices-fall--congress-acts-analysts-say/
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Re: With gas prices on the rise...
« Reply #17 on: August 11, 2008, 11:10:57 AM »

Here is an interesting article I just read...Could be very interesting.

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WASHINGTON -- The price of retail gasoline would fall by half, to around $2 a gallon, within 30 days of passage of a law to limit speculation in energy markets, four energy analysts told Congress on Monday. Testifying to a House Energy and Commerce Committee subcommittee, Michael Masters of Masters Capital Management said the price of crude oil would drop closer to its marginal cost of around $65 to $75 a barrel, about half the current $135. Fadel Gheit of Oppenheimer & Co., Edward Krapels of Energy Security Analysis and Roger Diwan of PFC Energy agreed with Masters' assessment at the hearing. Other witnesses say speculators aren't a major factor in oil prices, however.

Here is the link

http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/industries/energy/gas-prices-fall--congress-acts-analysts-say/

I am all for that!!!  Fill up for less than $30!!   Oh wait, I'll speculate that won't get passed.
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Re: With gas prices on the rise...
« Reply #18 on: August 12, 2008, 02:42:37 PM »

There is a good chance that it will.  Speculation is what impacted the economy so bad in general.  A lot of things could have been curbed if it were not for speculators going out and making people panic.  This also impacts Everybody that is in office so there is a chance it will pass...we will just see if it happens. 
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Re: With gas prices on the rise...
« Reply #19 on: August 12, 2008, 05:13:53 PM »

Remember though that those same speculators that drove up the futures prices are also currently driving down the futures prices.

I completley disagree with the assumption of that quote, There is no way the prices would drop so dramatically from a move like that.  Especially due to what I mentioned above.  Speculators are currently betting on the future price of oil to be lower and are driving down the price.  How is limiting their speculative abilities going to further the decline we are seeing now?  It doesn't just work one way.

I think it's very possible oil prices will drop to that level without any sort of changes to the way speculators work currently.  But, I don't think it will happen within 30 days, I say maybe closer to the end of '08.
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Re: With gas prices on the rise...
« Reply #20 on: August 13, 2008, 11:44:36 AM »

Speculation is just that though...if it were to be prevented, everything would then drop to fair market value.  None of this...what if scenarios to raise or lower the price.  Nothing has really changed with the way Gas is manufactured in the last 5 years...with that being said...why did the value of oil shoot up?  All based of speculation that scenarios would limit production, or our supply "might" be in jeopardy.  There is really no reason that oil should have gotten to $147 a barrel when just 3 years ago, it was less than $90. 
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Re: With gas prices on the rise...
« Reply #21 on: August 13, 2008, 11:46:08 AM »

Gas is running about $3.53 down here in Alabama right now
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Re: With gas prices on the rise...
« Reply #22 on: August 13, 2008, 02:46:41 PM »

My guess was gas was going to be roughly $3.50/gallon by labor day...national average is at $3.78/gal and that was even with a day where oil went up $3.00 a barrel.  27 straight days of gas dropping so far. 
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Re: With gas prices on the rise...
« Reply #23 on: August 13, 2008, 03:01:24 PM »

We dropped to $3.65 for premium today... WOOO HOOO!!
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Re: With gas prices on the rise...
« Reply #24 on: August 13, 2008, 03:20:57 PM »

Speculation is just that though...if it were to be prevented, everything would then drop to fair market value.  None of this...what if scenarios to raise or lower the price.

I'm not sure what you'd want as an alternative.  Oil is traded just like every other commodity out there.

Additionally, if we clamp down on our own speculators(which is all we could do, the rest of the World controls theirs), we'd harm ourselves by not allowing our buyers to buy oil in a market where the oil is trading higher.  The rest of the World would continue buying it up and we'd be left on the sidelines waiting for the price to drop?

What exactly would you be proposing?
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« Reply #25 on: August 14, 2008, 02:17:54 PM »

I am not proposing anything.  I am saying that speculation is probably the biggest contributor to the oil prices being what they are and to a large degree why the value of the dollar fell as well as a few other economically related items.  Bottom line is that if speculation were to be something that could not be factored in to pricing or the economy in general, I think you would see a more stable economic status for the US and lower pricing on oil.  If you even look at how bad speculators are about domestic oil you will see what a joke they are.  Alaska was only supposed to supply 6 billion barrels of oil period according to speculators in the 70's and as of now it has produced roughly 14 billion barrels.  I personally believe that the US needs to stop listening to a bunch of wild guesses from so called experts and start doing a little more research before forcing the economy in to a downward spiral. 
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Re: With gas prices on the rise...
« Reply #26 on: August 14, 2008, 03:18:37 PM »

I'm not saying you are 100% wrong, but there's a huge flaw in your argument.  Speculation is a big part of a free market.  You speculate about things all the time in your daily life.  That's why I'm saying there's really no alternative. 

Whevnever you are allowing people to freely exchange goods and services, you are introducing into it their ability to speculate about the future supply of those goods and services.





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« Reply #27 on: August 15, 2008, 09:30:57 AM »

You have to admit though...indiv idual specualtion versus so called "experts" speculation causing financial pitfalls for an entire country. lol.  I think there are certain parts of financial aspects that you just can't speculate on.  Natural resources being a huge one. 
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