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Re: Insurance Agents? *Updated with results*
« Reply #25 on: January 23, 2008, 07:20:14 AM »

I have had USAA, Farmers (can't call after 5pm), Allstate and Geico before and they all had there downfalls. I honestly in 4 years haven't found a problem with Progressive. And every year I get discounts on my vehicles automatically where with everyone else I have dealt with the only discount I got was when I turned 25 years old.
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Re: Insurance Agents? *Updated with results*
« Reply #26 on: January 23, 2008, 07:35:51 AM »

Until my tickets started falling off, I was using Esurance and Progressive.  But as soon as I hit 25 and those tockets fell off, USAA all the way!  Oh, I'm not in the military, just a dependant.
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Re: Insurance Agents? *Updated with results*
« Reply #27 on: January 23, 2008, 07:44:52 AM »

I have farmers and I cant complain. I have my agents private # and can call him anytime. Ive been with the same agent since 16 and due to the level of service I get and ease of claims, I plan on staying w/ farmers forever unless they majorly fuck up somehow.  Ive never had an issue w/ claims and they were always on the ball immediately.  Im sure I could find some place to save 10 or 20 bucks a month but Im happy and my insurance has been good to me.
Currently I pay 126/mth for full coverage on both the GTI and the taco.  200 deduct on the gti, 750 on the taco. Towing and all that shit included. Also thats w/o the home discount. 
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Re: Insurance Agents? *Updated with results*
« Reply #28 on: January 23, 2008, 07:59:56 AM »

I have farmers and I cant complain. I have my agents private # and can call him anytime. Ive been with the same agent since 16 and due to the level of service I get and ease of claims, I plan on staying w/ farmers forever unless they majorly fuck up somehow.  Ive never had an issue w/ claims and they were always on the ball immediately.  Im sure I could find some place to save 10 or 20 bucks a month but Im happy and my insurance has been good to me.
Currently I pay 126/mth for full coverage on both the GTI and the taco.  200 deduct on the gti, 750 on the taco. Towing and all that shit included. Also thats w/o the home discount. 

That's how I felt about my agent too.  Probably was a few dollars mroe per month but was worthit due to the service I always received.  Now I'll just go for the cheapest. 
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Re: Insurance Agents? *Updated with results*
« Reply #29 on: January 23, 2008, 12:03:30 PM »

i pay 100 beans for 2 vehicles full coverage w/towing.
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Re: Insurance Agents? *Updated with results*
« Reply #30 on: January 24, 2008, 08:11:50 PM »

Just out of curiosity(if you even know), why are the companies so all over the board on the WRX?  From $47-$152/mo?  Were those all the same coverage levels and such?  That a lot of change there.  The GTI is at least close(though I'd expect that with only liability I'm sure). 

I'm not too insurance savvy, the last change I had to make was about 5yrs ago and I've always used my parent's agent.  I'm paying about $50/mo. for my GTI currently with full coverage, dropped over $100/mo once I turned 25  ;D

Ok, so basically here is the process.  An insurance company has to submit how they want to rate policies to the department of insurance.  The DOI then approves it, or tells them that certain aspects must be modified or removed, etc etc.  I.E. if a company tried to say they wanted to use the driver's hair color as a rating factor, the DOI would probably not allow that. Some things are going to be consistent across the board for all insurance companies, i.e. If you have a speeding ticket it will increase your premiums.  But once you get outside of the major stuff, every company will rate policies differently.  For example, progressive is one of the few companies that people over the age of 65 will see increases in their premium due to age.  Many companies don't increase premiums when a person gets older, for whatever reason they deem necessary.

The WRX issue is difficult to explain.  You can see rates for certain cars be higher because of the claims experience that a company has with that specific vehicle.  For example, the WRX was the first car that has a price/perf ratio that it did, that meant that a lot of young, inexperienced drivers were able to purchase these cars, and are consequently either not able to handle the power, or not able to handle it responsibly (think of what happens when you put a 17 year old boy in a fast car when he has some girl in the car he is trying to impress for example).  Consequently that means that the rates for that specific vehicle are going to end up higher because the company will see a higher frequency of accidents or a higher severity of accidents.

This is the reason why you will see cars like RS4's and M5's and 911's end up being relatively cheap to insure.  Generally the type of people that can afford a car like that aren't going to be driving recklessly and getting into as many accidents.

So, with that being said, different companies are going to have had different experiences with vehicles, which can account for the rate differences.  I.e. if you have a company that predominantly carries older drivers with little to accidents (think when company like allstate will nonrenew your policy if you have say 2 at fault accidents), what's referred to as low risk drivers.  Because certain people tend to buy certain cars, that company may not have insured many people who had WRX's, and if they did, because of the fact that they only insure low risk drivers, then those people who did purchase cars like a WRX were likely much more responsible with them and as a result got into less accidents, or less severe accidents.

I'll check up later if there are further questions.

Edit:  I also want to clarify, because this comes up constantly with my customers.  Although the value/repair costs of the vehicle do play into the rates, they are ultimately a small portion of what drives the cost of a specific vehicle.  A very VERY large portion of the rate has to do with how safe the vehicle is when involved in accidents.  Overall the majority of claims payouts come from medical expenses.  This is why you can see in every state that the Property Damage portion of the state minimums is so much lower than the others.  I'll cite CO as an example.  They require a minimum of 25/50/15.  That means 25k per person in Bodily Injury (medical expenses for the other occupants of the vehicle YOU struck, assuming you are at fault), 50K maximum per accident in Bodily Injury, and 15k in property damage.

It's very easy to have an accident that caused 9k in damage to a 20k vehicle, but caused 50k in medical bills.  This is why our lovely little german cars, especially audi's/BMW/Merc's tend to have relatively low rates, they tend to be on the forefront of safety technology.  Mercedes Benz especially.
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Re: Insurance Agents? *Updated with results*
« Reply #31 on: January 24, 2008, 08:28:43 PM »

Makes sense.  They are just protecting themselves against the risk.  Seems like a large difference though nonetheless.

Similar to experiences I had when I was working for a bank at my last job.  I sold Home Equity and with the recent mortgage crunch, our rates weren't changing much and in some cases went up when seemingly a lot of other banks were dropping their's(especially once the Prime rate started to drop as well).

Anyhow, we'd get a ton of calls from customers all over the US, who were angry that we wouldn't approve them or that the rates were not competitive enough. CA and FL made up the highest percentage(they also have some of the highest foreclosure rates and price declines in the US right now).

But, I just looked at it as us protecting ourselves.  If they want to finance with us, then they get the higher rate.   If they go to a different bank for a lower rate, then we didn't have to take on the risk, either way, the bank is happy.  It frustrated me as a salesperson, but I understood it from a business standpoint. 

It's a well-known bank with a good reputation in the industry and they are one of the few banks whose stock has not seen the declines that this crisis has brought to most every financial institution.  But, to be in that position, they've had to maintain a fairly conservative approach to the type of customer they want and how they price their products.  Seems to be paying off now however.  There is no danger of them failing any time soon.  Can't say that about a lot of other banks and lenders out there.

Sorry to go OT a bit.

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Re: Insurance Agents? *Updated with results*
« Reply #32 on: January 25, 2008, 06:21:14 AM »

This is the reason why you will see cars like RS4's and M5's and 911's end up being relatively cheap to insure.  Generally the type of people that can afford a car like that aren't going to be driving recklessly and getting into as many accidents.




This is so true.  My cousin bought a Porsche (he's 22) and it was cheaper to insure than his GTI.  The insurance agent explained that, statistically, people his age don't get in accidents in Porsches because they can't usually afford them.




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« Reply #33 on: January 25, 2008, 08:36:24 AM »

I have farmers and I cant complain. I have my agents private # and can call him anytime. Ive been with the same agent since 16 and due to the level of service I get and ease of claims, I plan on staying w/ farmers forever unless they majorly fuck up somehow.  Ive never had an issue w/ claims and they were always on the ball immediately.  Im sure I could find some place to save 10 or 20 bucks a month but Im happy and my insurance has been good to me.
Currently I pay 126/mth for full coverage on both the GTI and the taco.  200 deduct on the gti, 750 on the taco. Towing and all that shit included. Also thats w/o the home discount.

For what level of coverage on your liability policy?

I'm w/ USAA and I carry all three vehicles on that policy. I have 100k/200k/50k liability, $500 Comprehensive/Collision deductible on the Golf and the van (liability only on the Caddy), and Rental, and Towing & Labor. My total bill is ~$180/mo. My sole gripe w/ USAA is that their discounts are slim on the ground. I've had to file claims through them before though, and they're painless all the way.

My dad is with Progressive, and dealing with them when he ripped the front bumper off of his M3 was both painful (I went with him to file the claim in person, and it took 4 hours) and it was pointless (they vastly underestimated the actual cost of repairs). At the end of the day, he just ate the cost of repairs himself and found "a guy who'd do some work for cheap" - which took almost two months to complete.
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