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[Scott]

More photos: http://www.autoblog.com/photos/2009-kia-borrego

Kia probably was hoping not to unveil every nook and cranny of its new Borrego SUV (called Mohave in Korea) this way, but the internet is a cruel mistress and it just goes to show that you shouldn't park your new SUV on a red carpet in public if you don't want people taking pictures of it. These snapshots of Kia's new SUV from every angle inside and out have surfaced on Kia-World.net, which you can view in the gallery below. It's a sharp looking vehicle, though still a body-on-frame SUV. As we've mentioned previously, a full-size SUV will be a tough sell for Kia in this CUV-crazed market. The Borrego will be armed with a V6 (a 3.0L unit according to badging on this particular vehicle) and the brand's first V8, however, and promises excellent NVH (noise, vibration, harshness) levels for an SUV. Shots of the undercarriage also reveal what appears to be an air suspension to help cushion the ride, and the interior includes such upscale options as Kia's first nav system. Like most recent products from Kia and its parent company Hyundai, the Borrego looks like a contender in every respect, and will no doubt carry a price tag that's too low for shoppers not to at least consider. The full reveal will happen at the Detroit Auto Show in January, and we'll be on hand to relay all of the official details on Kia's first full-size SUV.

[sad_rocc]

I wonder if they sell the cars so low because they don't have any real designers. I bet they just use interns or something. All of their vehicles look like they ripped off whatever similar vehicle was popular at the time. Not that I can, it looks like an awesome SUV and with the features listed will still probably be cheaper than most anything comparable in base form.

[toxicavenger]

Actually bro the ones that they looked like they have copied in the states they usually have been in production in Korea for quite some time already. I bet a few guys here on this forum have seen some crazy ass cars over in Korea that haven't been introduced in the US yet. I know I definitely saw some wierd shit over there!

[Jesus]

with the features listed will still probably be cheaper than most anything comparable in base form.

Yep and that's exactly why I own a Kia

[punkrider99]

only short gay men that look like they're 17 and interested in losing any resemblance of manhood would buy a korean car

Yep and that's exactly why I own a Kia

ain't that the truth...

[Jesus]

only short gay men that look like they're 17 and interested in losing any resemblance of manhood would buy a korean car

Yep and that's exactly why I own a Kia

ain't that the truth...

Fuck off bitch

[Scott]

Pat and Nate need to hug it out

[Jesus]

This is all I've got for any of you Kia bashers out there:

[Giggidy]

with the features listed will still probably be cheaper than most anything comparable in base form.

Yep and that's exactly why I own a Kia

Apparently you can't stress that enough

[Jesus]

with the features listed will still probably be cheaper than most anything comparable in base form.

Yep and that's exactly why I own a Kia

Apparently you can't stress that enough

Apparently you can't shut the fuck up and not worry about what I'm doing.
Nothing I posted was directed towards you or about you ... you have a bad habit lately of throwing in your smartass 2 cents about me when nobody asks for it.
Tell you what ... either ignore my posts or I'm going to start going out of my way to point out what a dumbass you are from here on out.

[Barry]

I'm going to start going out of my way to point out what a dumbass you are from here on out.

that wont be hard...

[sad_rocc]

Aw, don't be too hard with him. You with the Kia and Scott with the repair abilities are all that a lot of people here have to go on. If someone else had some big fat well publized button like you 2, I'm sure they'd be getting crap too. Someday, maybe things will get back to normal, where everyone is picking on Scott about sweatpants and you about crazy imported wives. Although you bring a lot of it on yourself, Mr. Official Champion and Posterboy of Kia.

[Giggidy]

I guess I just don't like it when somebody who hasn't been around in years constantly slams all club related things even when alott of the members are trying. How can you sit there from thousands of miles away and judge what happens here when you don't even know? And yeah you do seem to be the posterboy of Kia for some strange reason. I've been trying to ignore your posts but no matter how hard I try they stick out like a sore thumb. You can go ahead and try to make me look dumb........yo u've never even met me.

P.S. Don't you ever delete my posts or edit my profile again.

[kutark]

I think some peeps need to stop drinkin so much:

[Jesus]

And yeah you do seem to be the posterboy of Kia for some strange reason. I've been trying to ignore your posts but no matter how hard I try they stick out like a sore thumb. You can go ahead and try to make me look dumb........yo u've never even met me.

Do I go into threads and bash VW's, Audi's, etc and claim that Kia's are better?  NO I do not.
News Flash ... I didn't start this thread about Kia's.  I just responded to it.  There are plenty of 719 members here that own brands other than VW/Audi .. and they occasionally talk about them on here.  I don't see anyone getting upset because people are talking about 4 wheeling etc.. in Toyota's, Jeeps...blah blah you get the picture.  1 or 2 posts a month made by me talking about Kia's isn't harming you or anyone else that reads these forums.

P.S. Don't you ever delete my posts or edit my profile again.

P.S.  Put the brakes on.  Don't you ever fucking accuse me of deleting or editing any of your shit.
I didn't touch your account or delete any of your posts so you're barking up the wrong tree there inspector gadget.

[punkrider99]

okay time out. 

matt, quit being a retard.  just like you said, pat hasn't ever met you and you've never met pat.  so why do you constantly talk shit about someone you've never met?  you don't know pat outside of these forums and you really have no room to say a thing.

i can talk shit about pat and nappy because i know them.  i can rag on pat about his crazy ex-wife because i've actually met his crazy ex-wife.  i can make fun of nappy and his desire to race the silver state classic in his bad ass taurass wagon because i was here when he talked about it.  i can't however make fun of nappy's flywheel falling off because he didn't use loc-tite because i wasn't around when it happened.  it's just a general rule to not talk shit about stuff that happened way before you ever came around here.  they know i'm joking and they talk shit to me and it's cool.  i don't think you've even met nappy.  either way, i suggest you stay outta shit you weren't ever involved in.

pat, quit being a retard.  you bought a fucking kia for fuck's sake and you're on a vw 'enthusiast' web forum.  did you think you wouldn't get flamed?  don't worry about some newb who has stepped out of line.  you're gunna get shit from here on out no matter what you do. 

either way, both of you need to play nice.  don't make me cock slap you both. 

[Jesus]

pat, quit being a retard.  you bought a fucking kia for fuck's sake and you're on a vw 'enthusiast' web forum.  did you think you wouldn't get flamed?  don't worry about some newb who has stepped out of line.  you're gunna get shit from here on out no matter what you do. 

Duh ... I don't really mind people talking shit about it ...in fact to me it's funny in most instances.
I mean come on dude..I'm not trying to toot my own horn here but I did own a pretty damn hooked up R32.  I could give a fuck about somebody with a busted ass Audi A4 making jokes about me owning a Kia that I actually bought to serve a very specific purpose.
At the same time when the majority of Slappy Fuckstick's posts on a daily basis are to talk shit about me owning a Kia it get's a bit old.  It would be one thing if I were on this VW "enthusiast" site bashing VW's as a Kia owner.  But I'm not.
I've more than proven my worthiness in this scene/whatever it is based on my past VW ownership. I don't need some e-forum supertuner talking shit about me everytime I log on this forum.

[Rukh]

Pat and Matt, you guys need to chillax or take it to PM.

And just to prove that I have the biggest cock here, again:

[navyfam1]

pat, quit being a retard.  you bought a fucking kia for fuck's sake and you're on a vw 'enthusiast' web forum.  did you think you wouldn't get flamed?  don't worry about some newb who has stepped out of line.  you're gunna get shit from here on out no matter what you do. 

Duh ... I don't really mind people talking shit about it ...in fact to me it's funny in most instances.
I mean come on dude..I'm not trying to toot my own horn here but I did own a pretty damn hooked up R32.  I could give a fuck about somebody with a busted ass Audi A4 making jokes about me owning a Kia that I actually bought to serve a very specific purpose.
At the same time when the majority of Slappy Fuckstick's posts on a daily basis are to talk shit about me owning a Kia it get's a bit old.  It would be one thing if I were on this VW "enthusiast" site bashing VW's as a Kia owner.  But I'm not.
I've more than proven my worthiness in this scene/whatever it is based on my past VW ownership. I don't need some e-forum supertuner talking shit about me everytime I log on this forum.

since everyone else posts from across the fuckin globe.... why not? Pat, you mention Matt's constant bashin of your Kia ownage.... sounds quite similar to the constant club bashing that you've become famous for of late....

Nate, from what I've read, Matt hasn't been talking crap about Pat in the good ol' days.... but instead has been blatantly being a fart-knocker about him owning a Kia and always bashing the club.... shit, even I commented about Pats attitude towards the current state of the club (who hasn't)...

I do agree however that someone should not pass judgment about someone based on heresy or jump on the bandwagon in regards to past events/stories.

Now speakin of 'other than VW/Audi cars'..... Jenn actually likes that Kia and I'm sure it wouldn't be a bad buy with ALL those options... shit, we have a Chrysler Pacifica for fuck's sake (granted, we got a $25k car for $16k, but that's beside the point).

Pat, Nate's got a point, the Kia ownage will grant you crap within a VW crowd... but who gives a fuck, right! You're KIA serves you and purpose much like our Pacifica...

on another note.... Nate, what's your number/email addy? I've got a buddy at my new command thats got an INSANELY modded '99 Mustang that is interested in water/meth.... he's already gotten like 23 full sponsorships for his car 

[Jesus]

.... sounds quite similar to the constant club bashing that you've become famous for of late....

 and always bashing the club.... shit, even I commented about Pats attitude towards the current state of the club (who hasn't)...

Sure I occasionally throw in a smart ass remark of what seems to be nothing going on with 719 anymore.
I would have thought by now that someone would have figured it out ... the only outcome I hoped to get from a smartass remark was possibly some kind of motivation on your guys' part to make something out of 719. 
I've got a lot of sweat equity in 719 and getting it started etc... it's kind of a let down to hear that people rarely even get excited about attending GTG's and such.
When's the last time someone posted a pic of the lineup from a weekly GTG?  I remember back when we used to have 30 plus cars on a regular basis.
If I'm totally missing the mark then by all means someone take pics and post them like once a quarter or something to keep people like me from saying you guys suck at doing things as a group 
Nobody owes me (or anyone else) pics.. but you know maybe if some of us old timers saw that the flame was still burning every now and then we wouldn't be so disappointed in what seems to be a total lack of enthusiam about this whole 719 thing.
I don't dislike anyone here ...even Slappy Fuckstick because I don't even know him really... if you take my smartass remarks at hate or dislike then you're taking them totally out of context.  Believe me all the people that I dislike no longer associate with 719 .. you do the math on that one 

When is the last time 719 did something as a group on a large scale outside of a weekly GTG ... (more than like 2-3 cars/people) ?

Anyway this horse was beat to death too many times.  Take what I'm saying for what it's worth and have a nice evening

[oliver]

Wow let me pull out a chair and some popcorn. 

[kutark]

No shit man.  Seriously pat, i've never met you, but you have been talkin a lot of shit about the club lately.  Some of us have tried to get shit going.  I scheduled a drive, and 3 of us made it on it, and good times were had by all (I now consider Dave (scurvy) to be a pretty damn good friend because of it).  The issue right now is that there just aren't that many people in the club that are in state.  Not to mention that all the lowlife drama and bullshit killed a good portion of it, as well as the fact that certain people left, or fairly never show up to gtg's, because of other drama.  Lets not even get into the whole Chad fiasco... Other people have been dealing with other shit, like children being close to born, or preparing for marriage, shit like that.

Basically its been the same group of people out there at GTG's every night.  I fully intend to start kickin some ass and getting drives put together come summer, because to some extent you're right, there hasnt been much going on.  The problem is the vast majority of your posts are extremely negative, regardless of what they're about, and it tends to grate on people.  Now i'm not taking sides, i know Matt in RL and he is a pretty decent guy, huge shit talker, but the vast majority of the time its all in good fun. I've always gotten the same vibe from you, but seriously, both of you need to chill the fuck out.

[Scott]

Matt, I edited your profile... I thought it was amusing... feel free to change it back to whatever you want!

[punkrider99]

btw i went to the gtg this past weekend and i was the ONLY motherfucker there.  i hardly go and the one time i do no one was there.  btw the parking lot is fuct beyond recognition. 

[punkrider99]

Matt, I edited your profile... I thought it was amusing... feel free to change it back to whatever you want!

speaking of slappy mcfuckstick...