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[oliver]

 :banghead:What?... I'd get a kinetic but this is a smoking deal plus I think I'm done with turbos.

$3k for the mk3/Corrado sc

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3530297

[Jesus]

I would NOT waste my money on an overpriced Supercharger

[LOS]

not on that kit, but there is nothing wrong w/ a blower.  Im really happy w/ mine. 

[oliver]

not on that kit, but there is nothing wrong w/ a blower.  Im really happy w/ mine. 

What blower are you running?.

[The Asshole]

I would NOT waste my money on an overpriced Supercharger

i'd rather buy a kia...... or spend 10k on a turbo that will blow your VR6 worse than a G60

[Jesus]

I would NOT waste my money on an overpriced Supercharger

i'd rather buy a kia...... or spend 10k on a turbo that will blow your VR6 worse than a G60

That's bullshit
With the tuning (software) options that are available now the only reason a turbo is going to blow a VR6 is due to user error.

When you buy a supercharger your more or less are getting a fixed number as far as horsepower output is concerned.  With a turbo the level of output is much greater when you start looking at the upgrade path.. and it costs less.
I've owned a supercharged VR6, it was good.. but when the fun wears off you're pretty much screwed.  Plus with a supercharger it takes power to make power.

[LOS]

Yeah the blower may not beable to adjust hp by turning the wastegate spring or just a chip, however once you go above 10lbs you need to lower compression whether its turbo or s/c.  There are alot of the same mods you need to do no matter how the compressed air is made. 
I love how smooth my  car is and how smooth the power comes on and just keeps coming.  I feel there is less wear on my drivetrain, and I dont have to worry about a boost spike.  The only pita about the blower I see is changing the belts (which isn't that big of a deal) and trying to plumb in a intercooler.
Once again these are MY opinions. 

Its kind of like the vr6 vs 1.8T argument that used to go on back in the day. Both set ups are good, its just how you like it and what your plans are.

Oliver, I run the c2 motorsports kit w/ the v2 blower at 8.5 lbs.

[Jesus]

And then once you start turning up the boost you get to deal with belt slip.
No thanks

[Barry]

oliver.... my brother is selling a VF engineering V1 kit, minus the oil pan and software for $2K....


V1 is where its at brotha

[Jesus]

V1 is where its at brotha

Sure if your brother is selling one.... been there done that.  Wouldn't put my money on one again

[oliver]

Yeah the blower may not beable to adjust hp by turning the wastegate spring or just a chip, however once you go above 10lbs you need to lower compression whether its turbo or s/c.  There are alot of the same mods you need to do no matter how the compressed air is made. 
I love how smooth my  car is and how smooth the power comes on and just keeps coming.  I feel there is less wear on my drivetrain, and I dont have to worry about a boost spike.  The only pita about the blower I see is changing the belts (which isn't that big of a deal) and trying to plumb in a intercooler.
Once again these are MY opinions. 

Its kind of like the vr6 vs 1.8T argument that used to go on back in the day. Both set ups are good, its just how you like it and what your plans are.

Oliver, I run the c2 motorsports kit w/ the v2 blower at 8.5 lbs.

I just want the extra oomp with a supercharger and want to be able to easily swap setup when doing the smog. 

[Barry]

V1 is where its at brotha

Sure if your brother is selling one.... been there done that.  Wouldn't put my money on one again

explain

[Jesus]

V1 is where its at brotha

Sure if your brother is selling one.... been there done that.  Wouldn't put my money on one again

explain

Explain what?  Haven't you read any of my other posts in this thread?

[LOS]

Pat, I cant say this from experience because Im only running 8.5 lbs, but c2 did take care of most of the belt slip by designing the dual idler puller so that there is alot more belt wrap on the pulley than the old skool kits.  Eventually I'll probably just go to 13lbs and see how it does. When I talked to Jon held about his, he had the dual idler puller and he said he didn't really ever experience any belt slip.  Wont know that for sure till I have mine running more boost, but the blower kits (just like the turbo kits you have a hard on for) have come a long way since the old ams shit you had.

[Jesus]

Carlos.. you speak the truth and I already knew all that.

All I'm saying is that in my opinion if I were putting thousands of dollars into a forced induction upgrade I would rather go turbo as the upgrade path is easier/more affordable for the dollar per horspower factor.

I suppose if you just want to bolt something on and never open the hood again a Supercharger isn't a bad deal

[oliver]

The car is running pretty strong and was well maintained by the previous owner but basically what preventive maintenance should I be doing first?.

Do I need an oil cooler?.

[Jesus]

The car is running pretty strong and was well maintained by the previous owner but basically what preventive maintenance should I be doing first?.

Do I need an oil cooler?.

Not really

[oliver]

oliver.... my brother is selling a VF engineering V1 kit, minus the oil pan and software for $2K....


V1 is where its at brotha

I'll think about that. Oh and what makes a V1 better?.

[LOS]

v1 isn't better than a v2 nor the other way around.
The only difference is the v2 has helical cut gears so its quieter than a v1. 
Its all your choice on which one you want.  Personally i have the v2 and its still loud, so a v1 is just re-dick-u-lous

[Barry]

Explain what?  Haven't you read any of my other posts in this thread?

i never read what you write... 

Yes, the v1 and v2 are similar minus the cut of the gears, but if it were me, i'd prefer the loud obnoxious whine of the V1

[kutark]

Carlos.. you speak the truth and I already knew all that.

All I'm saying is that in my opinion if I were putting thousands of dollars into a forced induction upgrade I would rather go turbo as the upgrade path is easier/more affordable for the dollar per horspower factor.

I suppose if you just want to bolt something on and never open the hood again a Supercharger isn't a bad deal

As much as it pains me to do this, i have to agree with Pat.  I never liked the idea of using power to make power.  A turbo is just so much more efficient.  And you don't have to have all the problems associated with turbos (lag, etc) if you set the car up right.  Especially on a VR6, twin turbo is the way to go.

Though, cost wise, i think superchargers are a better deal for the average enthusiast who just wants a little more spunk under the hood.  But like Pat said, $ per HP, if you're looking for absolute max performance, single turbo is the way to go.

[LOS]

In some ways yes, but in other ways no. 
If you turn up the boost on vr w/a turbo, you have a lot more wear on your drivetrain as that 10lbs is going to hit your tranny and clutch a lot faster and harder than on a centrifigal blower that builds gradually. So you will need to upgrade your clutch and likely to break your tranny alot quicker than a w/ a blower.  I haven't slipped my clutch once on my car yet and its still the stock clutch w/ 79k on it.
You also still have to upgrade the internals, change compression, and all that shit whether you are going turbo or blower beyond the 10lb range.
Yes you can tune the turbo to run 22lbs, where the blower is probably not going higher than 15lbs... so in the long run you have more hp and tuneability.
But to get there you are going to spend pretty much the same amount of money as far as internals, fueling and etc.

I think there are pros and cons to both.  Turbo might be a lil easier to upgrade, and in some aspects cheaper, but there are advantages to the blower too.

Like I said its really a matter of opinion.  Both set ups work great and make the vr's that much sweeter.

[Jesus]

 

LIKE I SAID

$ to HP ratio on a turbo is always going to be better.

Fuck... I'm not even going to look it up, someone else do it.  I will bet that a Kinetic turbo kit for a standard 2.8VR6 makes the same if not more HP than a standard VR supercharger kit for the same motor.   Ten bux says that turbo kit costs less too

Just like the base VF charger setups for R32's ..fuckin joke  my R32 with bolt on mods was able to hang with a VF charged R32 ...and that kit VF kit ain't cheap.

I'm all about getting the most for my money.  I've already been down the supercharger road and will never do it again... Yeah I had an older AMS kit but I looked EXTENSIVELY into upgrading it and for what it would have cost to make more power I could have been sitting on a nice turbo setup with money left over in my pocket.  And I'm not talking about modifications to the engine interally.... let's please stop beating that horse, it's dead.  Everyone knows that when you turn up the boost past a certain point there are things you need to do along with it to the engine internals etc.... those costs are irrelevant to this discussion..co mpletely irrelevant.

Bottom line.. there isn't jack wrong with a supercharger setup for a VR6 ... I just think it's not a very good bang for your buck mod when compared to other options that are available.

[LOS]

Yes the intitial cost maybe less. But I dont think they are as big of a diff as you think. 
C2 blower kit new ran 3500...8.5 lbs boost, 280 hp claimed.
Kinetic last I checked was 3000, 5or 6lbs (dont recall), 250 hp claimed.

Obviously you can turn up the boost and get to the same hp alot easier.

To end the stupid argument, I agree its less bang for the buck. But its not all that crazily different.  And in my opinion the blower is more reliable. But vrt's have come along way lately.

Those prices were when I was looking at all this shit btw, so i dont know if they went up or down.

[scurvy_bandit]

not on that kit, but there is nothing wrong w/ a blower.  Im really happy w/ mine. 

What blower are you running?.

does she have pigtails?